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Old 06-18-2006, 09:33 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Here we go again. I'm not offended, but you do seem another one who knows that 'everyone else' is doomed because of what you believe.
Only those who will can see. Those who don't will suffer. See how that works? You are willfully blind. I would guess that when the inevitable happens, you will still deny it.

Like I said, "better try another perspective" while you have the opportunity.
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Old 06-18-2006, 09:50 PM   #112 (permalink)
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The U.S. is paying for their immorality and will continue to pay until they repent. Do you feel the pain yet? It will get a lot worse before it gets better, so hang onto your ass. You're in for a very rough ride. The only advice I have for those on this thread is this: Better try another perspective. I'm sorry but your ignorance is appalling. Until you see just how depraved your thinking is, you will continue to slide further into depravity until one day you will be totally incapable of knowing right from wrong. You're all but there now.

This post is intended solely to enlighten, not offend.
I am enlightened to the fact that you have twisted your own religion to allow yourself to judge others. Depraved thinking is one of those phrases that you must apply your own values to, before you have a definition for depraved thinking. I think people who don't look past the pulpit are depraved and are doomed to live their life like they are told to.
Oh, and by the way, your wonderfully loving presentation of the 'word' is what inspired me to write.
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Old 06-18-2006, 10:16 PM   #113 (permalink)
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I am enlightened to the fact that you have twisted your own religion to allow yourself to judge others. Depraved thinking is one of those phrases that you must apply your own values to, before you have a definition for depraved thinking. I think people who don't look past the pulpit are depraved and are doomed to live their life like they are told to.
Oh, and by the way, your wonderfully loving presentation of the 'word' is what inspired me to write.
First of all, I have no "religion". That is your first error.

Secondly, I have judged no one. I simply stated a truth. I'm sorry you misunderstood and perhaps felt "judged".

Thirdly, not understanding depravity shows you are indeed blind to it.

Pulpit? ROFLMAO!!

Hmmm. Where did I present the 'word'? But I'm glad you were inspired even if the inspiration was misguided.
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So you are saying the immorality you speak of is just of your own opinions?
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Only those who will can see.
Yes, you're seeing what you want to see. You are creating your own version of reality that others have shared with you, though what they see is not in the exact vision of what you see, as they have their own experiences, a uniqueness of perspective.
You are not entirely a product of your own making. No one is.
So, in a way, we are all connected, because all of our lines intertwine with everyone else and every living and non-living thing in the world. Every action does have a natural consequence. Whether we choose it to be positive or negative, it is going to affect the whole world.
You choose to give it your own set of values and attribute it all to a higher conscience. I do not.
I believe that all life is natural as is all consciousness. Not attributed to the supernatural with a natural order, but an infinity of possibilities of which our existence will only lead to one.
I do not believe it is predestined. I do not believe our consciences will exist on beyond our deaths, but I do believe that our lives will ultimately affect all that will be after us.
Therein, I find our immortality.
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So you are saying the immorality you speak of is just of your own opinions?
No. Not my opinions. Do you have a sense of right and wrong? Or does anything go? Example: Is it okay with you to steal from anyone? Is it okay to lie (to your advantage)?
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Yes, you're seeing what you want to see. You are creating your own version of reality that others have shared with you, though what they see is not in the exact vision of what you see, as they have their own experiences, a uniqueness of perspective.
You are not entirely a product of your own making. No one is.
So, in a way, we are all connected, because all of our lines intertwine with everyone else and every living and non-living thing in the world. Every action does have a natural consequence. Whether we choose it to be positive or negative, it is going to affect the whole world.
You choose to give it your own set of values and attribute it all to a higher conscience. I do not.
I believe that all life is natural as is all consciousness. Not attributed to the supernatural with a natural order, but an infinity of possibilities of which our existence will only lead to one.
I do not believe it is predestined. I do not believe our consciences will exist on beyond our deaths, but I do believe that our lives will ultimately affect all that will be after us.
Therein, I find our immortality.
Your post is evident that you've never experienced the spiritual. That you believe does not necessarily mean that you are right.
Old 06-19-2006, 01:53 AM   #118 (permalink)
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Only those who will can see. Those who don't will suffer. See how that works? You are willfully blind. I would guess that when the inevitable happens, you will still deny it.

Like I said, "better try another perspective" while you have the opportunity.

I disagree. One cannot choose what they believe. You either believe something or you don't. No amount of will can change that. If you offered me a billion dollars if I believed in elves tomorrow, I would still be unable to believe in them. Again, if you offered me a billion dollars to not believe that Creed is a terrible band, I would be unable to change my mind.
When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
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Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
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I disagree. One cannot choose what they believe. You either believe something or you don't. No amount of will can change that. If you offered me a billion dollars if I believed in elves tomorrow, I would still be unable to believe in them. Again, if you offered me a billion dollars to not believe that Creed is a terrible band, I would be unable to change my mind.
You have GOT to be kidding!
Seriously, that has got to be just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

What in Sam Hill do you go to school for?
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No. Not my opinions. Do you have a sense of right and wrong? Or does anything go? Example: Is it okay with you to steal from anyone? Is it okay to lie (to your advantage)?
First of all I do not feel 'judged' as these are my first posts here. I must ask, are we still talking about abortion here or has this progressed to a discusion on U.S. policies?
I happen to be a evolutionist and a humanist in my beliefs so alot of what you believe concerning our individual ends, I agree with.
I think I have a great sense of right and wrong and I think abortion should be for people who are at risk from having a baby and for rape victims, only. Birth control is a very easy measure and if you are stupid enough to make a baby 'by accident' then you should be prepared to raise a child and stand up and take resposibility for your actions. Our population is exploding world wide and here in America. Proper education is the key to keeping the population below a dangerous level, not abortions.
As for the baby, if the egg and the sperm have formed a entirely different form than who is to say if this form feels anything? We do not know at what stage consienceness or feeling are present. Presently, we can not possibly know these things.
I think it is our moral duty to present laws and mandatory education that would enable poor parents to be good parents. You need a licence to drive a car in this country, or even to catch a fish, but anyone is allowed to be a parent.
Did you mean paying for abortions or are we now talking about U.S. policies? As for this, I never thought us going into Iraq was a good idea. The U.N. said from the start that there wasn't enough evidence of WMD and they were right. This is the original reason given for going into Iraq. I do not agree with most of this administration's decisions but I feel correction of the given situation must start here in the U.S. by legal means. I am proud to be an American and what this country has always stood for. I think our country has strayed from the path our founding fathers put us on but I also feel there are a lot of different factors involved, that weren't present at that time, to consider. As for a sense of right and wrong, this is an opinionated concept, like it or not. How you see the world as an individual is really where we get this sense.
To say this doesn't come from your opinion, if you are not using your religious training, seems incorrect to me.
As for the U.S.'s immorality, to say this is the reason why we will continue to pay is kind of an opinionated statement. Either this is your belief or it isn't. Did you mean Karma or divine intervention or dangers from terrorists? Please explain this to me. Also let me know if I was off base or topic, about the government, and you were only applying your words to abortion.
Really, in the end, our individual opinions form our veiw of how our country is handling itself and give us our own sense of right and wrong.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville
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