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Old 04-29-2005, 04:57 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Here's some facts:

The zygote divides to produce two smaller cells, called blastomeres, roughly every 20 hours. These cells get progressively smaller until about 4 divisions have taken place resulting in 16 individual cells. This cluster of 16 cells, called a morula, leaves the fallopian tube and makes its way to the uterus.

Post-implantation: A blastocele is a small cavity on the center of the cells, and the developing cells will grow around this. There will be a flat layer of cells on the exterior of this cavity, and the zona pellucida will remain the same size as before. Cells are growing increasingly smaller to fit in. This new structure with a cavity in the center and the developing cells around it is known as a blastocyst. The presence of the blastocyst means that two types of cells are forming, inner cell mass growing on the interior of the blastocele and cells growing on the exterior of it. In 24 to 48 hours, the blastocyst's barrier, the zona pellucida breaches. The cells on the exterior of the blastocyst begin excreting an enzyme which erodes epithelial uterine lining and creates a site for implantation. The blastocyst also secretes a hormone called human chorionic gonadotropin which in turn, stimulates the corpus luteum in the mother's ovary to continue producing progesterone, which acts to maintain the lining of the uterus so that the embryo will continue to be nourished. The glands in the lining of the uterus will swell in response to the blastocyst, and capillaries will be stimulated to grow in that region. This allows the blastocyst to receive vital nutrients from the mother. Pregnancy tests detect the presence of human chorionic gonadotropin.

Placental Circulation System: The cells surrounding the blastocyst now destroy cells in the uterine lining, forming small pools of blood which in turn stimulates the production of capillaries. This is the first stage in the growth of the placenta. The inner cell mass of the blastocyst divides rapidly, forming two layers. The top layer will become the embryo and cells from there will be used in the amniotic cavity. At the same time, the bottom layer will form a small sac. (If the cells begin developing in an abnormal position, an ectopic pregnancy may also occur at this point.) Several days later, chorionic villi in the forming placenta anchor the implantation site to the uterus. A system of blood and blood vessels now develops at the point of the newly forming placenta, growing near the implantation site. The small sac inside the blastocyst begins producing red blood cells. For the next 24 hours, connective tissue will develop between the developing placenta and the growing fetus. This will later develop into the umbilical cord.




I could go on... but I think that should suffice... So it's only ONE cell for approximately 20 hours... within 24 to 48 hours, there are exterior and interior cells. Cell differentation occurs.. the cells attach to the uteran lining and begin receiving nutrients...

Seems like a human to me... reagardless of being called a fetus or a zygote.

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Here's some facts:

The zygote divides to produce two smaller cells, called blastomeres, roughly every 20 hours. These cells get progressively smaller until about 4 divisions have taken place resulting in 16 individual cells. This cluster of 16 cells, called a morula, leaves the fallopian tube and makes its way to the uterus.

Post-implantation: A blastocele is a small cavity on the center of the cells, and the developing cells will grow around this. There will be a flat layer of cells on the exterior of this cavity, and the zona pellucida will remain the same size as before. Cells are growing increasingly smaller to fit in. This new structure with a cavity in the center and the developing cells around it is known as a blastocyst. The presence of the blastocyst means that two types of cells are forming, inner cell mass growing on the interior of the blastocele and cells growing on the exterior of it. In 24 to 48 hours, the blastocyst's barrier, the zona pellucida breaches. The cells on the exterior of the blastocyst begin excreting an enzyme which erodes epithelial uterine lining and creates a site for implantation. The blastocyst also secretes a hormone called human chorionic gonadotropin which in turn, stimulates the corpus luteum in the mother's ovary to continue producing progesterone, which acts to maintain the lining of the uterus so that the embryo will continue to be nourished. The glands in the lining of the uterus will swell in response to the blastocyst, and capillaries will be stimulated to grow in that region. This allows the blastocyst to receive vital nutrients from the mother. Pregnancy tests detect the presence of human chorionic gonadotropin.

Placental Circulation System: The cells surrounding the blastocyst now destroy cells in the uterine lining, forming small pools of blood which in turn stimulates the production of capillaries. This is the first stage in the growth of the placenta. The inner cell mass of the blastocyst divides rapidly, forming two layers. The top layer will become the embryo and cells from there will be used in the amniotic cavity. At the same time, the bottom layer will form a small sac. (If the cells begin developing in an abnormal position, an ectopic pregnancy may also occur at this point.) Several days later, chorionic villi in the forming placenta anchor the implantation site to the uterus. A system of blood and blood vessels now develops at the point of the newly forming placenta, growing near the implantation site. The small sac inside the blastocyst begins producing red blood cells. For the next 24 hours, connective tissue will develop between the developing placenta and the growing fetus. This will later develop into the umbilical cord.




I could go on... but I think that should suffice... So it's only ONE cell for approximately 20 hours... within 24 to 48 hours, there are exterior and interior cells. Cell differentation occurs.. the cells attach to the uteran lining and begin receiving nutrients...

Seems like a human to me... reagardless of being called a fetus or a zygote.

-Ali

You can whine about a small group of cells all day long. It still doesn't give you the right to decide over anyone else's body but your own.
Old 04-29-2005, 07:34 PM   #43 (permalink)
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And what makes you think we should be able to play God with the life of a child? Who says we get to pick who lives and who dies?

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And what makes you think we should be able to play God with the life of a child? Who says we get to pick who lives and who dies?

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Because I would never give up the right to decide over my own body and what it contains.

To a small group of cells the size of a pinhead the mother might as well be considered God to it.
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That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard... what about when the child is born and the mother decides she doesn't want it anymore? I mean... the mom's pretty much "God" to the child anyway.

No one should decide who lives or dies... you don't have the right and neither does the mother carrying the child. It's illegal and immoral to murder and abortion is murder.

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That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard... what about when the child is born and the mother decides she doesn't want it anymore? I mean... the mom's pretty much "God" to the child anyway.

No one should decide who lives or dies... you don't have the right and neither does the mother carrying the child. It's illegal and immoral to murder and abortion is murder.

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If you believe in God then what a mother does with her body is between her and God, is it not? Who the hell are you to interfere with that?
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God wouldn't have made the child if it wasn't meant to exist... God would never think murdering an unborn child was ok... No one should get to decide who lives or dies. If God thought the child shouldn't be, it would've ever been conceived, or the mother would have a miscarriage. God is the only one who should decide when it's someone's time to die... not the mother's.

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God wouldn't have made the child if it wasn't meant to exist... God would never think murdering an unborn child was ok... No one should get to decide who lives or dies. If God thought the child shouldn't be, it would've ever been conceived, or the mother would have a miscarriage. God is the only one who should decide when it's someone's time to die... not the mother's.

-Ali
That is between the mother and God in that case. You get to decide if you get pregnant. Otherwise it is none of your business. For all you know God intended the woman to have an abortion. Maybe she will learn from it. The point is you don't know what God wants. So stop speaking for God.
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I do know what God wants... he lists it clearly in the Bible... he clearly states that murder is wrong... it's in the Ten Commandments... so actually I do know what he wants... I don't have to speak for him.. the Bible does.. it's what he told the writers to put in there to guide us on how to live. If I choose to spread how he wants us to live, that's my decision. You don't have to listen or believe... but just because you don't believe, doesn't mean I'm wrong. I accept that you don't believe... can't you do that same?

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I do know what God wants... he lists it clearly in the Bible... he clearly states that murder is wrong... it's in the Ten Commandments... so actually I do know what he wants... I don't have to speak for him.. the Bible does.. it's what he told the writers to put in there to guide us on how to live. If I choose to spread how he wants us to live, that's my decision. You don't have to listen or believe... but just because you don't believe, doesn't mean I'm wrong. I accept that you don't believe... can't you do that same?

-Ali
Now she knows what God wants

How does god feel about the hermaphrodite's that God created? In other words... you don't speak for God. Niether does the bible.
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