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JayD,

First let me say that somewhere in a few threads here, you said today that you figure God might well be cross with me for calling him some names. I never did call God any bad names. I am not the one that is believing in a capricious raging maniacal God who would in a fit of ego devastate people groups, send she-bears out after a coupla young'uns for calling a prophet "Baldy", let an army lose cos one stinkin' man only pounded the ground twice instead of three times...a God who would want folk to serve him outta fear of hell rather than in confidence of His love...
Nope, wasn't me that called God any bad names...but what does the Book you use say of God? Hmmm.
You know what? I find value in The Bible, cos in it, I find the Word of God...but not in all of it. And the fact is neither do you...as Tristan and others here have pointed out. You ignore the passages that warn not to judge folk.
In this very thread you called Tristan not a real Christian by putting quotes around the name Christian and not even capitalizing it.
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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

And then in your last post you said I got inchy ears, and well, Preach...that was just too cute to not quote, so here goes...

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I should call you inchy ears.

Here is a picture of me with my "inchy ears"
See, I gotta sense of humor.

Call it joy.
OD

Oh Dear, where does it say in the Bible not to judge?

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Originally Posted by Observer Oh Dear, where does it say in the Bible not to judge?

And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5:18

For who maketh thee to differ [from another]? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive [it], why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received [it]? I Cor. 4:7

[Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.Phil 2: 3

But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Matt 13:29

Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matt. 7:1

OD

Matthew 7:1
"Judge not, that you be not judged.
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For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
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And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
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Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
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Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

After reading the verses that follow verse 1, do you still believe that Jesus meant we are not to judge?

I believe He was teaching (verse 3) that if you are guilty, for example, of having a secret affair, then you have no business telling someone else they are wrong for committing adultery. That would be improper. FIRST, He says, remove the plank from YOUR eye so that you will be able to see the speck that is in your brother's eye.

Do you see what He called the one judging? He called him a hypocrite. And what is a hypocrite? It's one who condemns another for the same sin he, himself is guilty of.

I won't address the other scriptures because, quite frankly, I see no connection with them and "judging".

from the Observer.

Quite frankly they have everything to do with judging. But I am too tired to write much more tonight. So I will tell you how I see the connection, if you will dialog with me tomorrow.

As to the the verses you did give a dissertation about, I would say that verse four begins with a conjunction of contrast: OR.

And yet there is much more there, and I will gladly look to converse more with you Observer.

I mean you no disagreeable spirit. Even if I do not draw the same conclusions as you on any number of topics.

Let's pray for each other and call it a day, okay?

OD

Fair enough. 'Nite.

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And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5:18

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For who maketh thee to differ [from another]? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive [it], why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received [it]? I Cor. 4:7 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.Phil 2: 3 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Matt 13:29

First verse: All belong to God...I do not believe then that we ought to be dissecting humanity if God has reconciled all to Himself in the work of Jesus Christ. I believe we are to see the immortality of the spirit that is being saved and our ministry of reconciliation is to announce the good news of the universal love of God displayed by Christ. Judgment is an affront to the work of God, to the reconciliation accomplished by Jesus Christ, Savior of All men, and opposes the ministry he has given us...

Second verse : Folk in fundimentalism put stock in the fact they believe. The stock is to be put in the fact that God has revealed His Son. It's like, duh...the light goes on! You have light, but did you do the work of the electrician? So why use faith, use belief as your boast, as a way to divide yourself and extol yourself for believing? If you are overwhelmed by divine revelation, then fall at the feet of Jesus. Where is there any room to get up and go pointing your finger at others for what you were GIVEN? How can you judge anyone after an encounter with the holy and awesome Creator and Savior of Mankind?

Third verse: Did God in that verse admonish us to outlove the other guy? If you love someone, if you respect someone, everytime they show you love or respect, how about raising the stakes and love them a little more, revere them to the next level...and who are we to love? Our neighbors. And who are our neighbors? Everybody!!!

Fourth Verse: Jesus urged folk to not go segragating mankind. Judgement does that...

We ought to be like King David who said Search my heart God...and leave everyone else's heart to God for the searching. What we ought to believe to have found in every heart, is a space to put our own kindness, compassion, and acceptance. You can't fill the heart of someone you condemn with anything but condemnation.

Jesus never even called the woman caught in adultery a sinner. He only said, "I don't condemn ya...go and sin no more."

He never once even said, You did this and such. He just said "New Day has dawned!"

OD