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Abortion How do you feel about abortion? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Defend your views on abortion in this forum.

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Old 02-15-2007, 02:39 PM   #91 (permalink)
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The bitch!!!

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The little bastard!!! It's all HIS fault! He should DIE so her life won't be complicated.
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Old 02-15-2007, 02:59 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Jefferson, are they not made on the basis of rights? And yes there is a moral tone inferred. But I ask you, when one's rights and another's morality are in conflict, what is the law to do?

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In all sincerity, Oh Dear, you have been deceived. Not so long ago, believe it or not, there were (still are!) absolutes. Not everything is "relative" as you've been taught. If this were true, there would be no such thing as truth.

Just as 2 + 2 equals 4 and cannot be changed (except by those who are unable to correct judge the answer) so it is with other truths.

If you will check recent history and the beginning of the teaching of moral absolutes, you will learn that you were among the first to be deceived.

It wasn't that long ago that even a child knew the truth. But today? Well, we have OPINIONS. Your opinion is different than mine. What makes your "opinion" right and mine wrong? Not everyone can be right. There is only ONE truth. Do you want the truth? or just opinions?

Tell me, do you believe in a Supreme Being?
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Not really. It means that if the decision were mine, I would choose life (certainly not on any religious grounds), but if the decision is not mine, I have enough respect and care for others to respect their right to choose. It's logical.
So, then, it would be okay with you if your grandmother's neighbor killed her for the small change in her purse? After all, it is her murderer's right to choose, is it not?
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Yes to Tadpole. I do not for one minute believe that laws can be based on faith-rendered morality.

It is essential that Governing principles are based on reason.

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Whose reasoning?? Yours? Mine?? It is perfectly obvious that our reasoning differs. Now what?
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The little bastard!!! It's all HIS fault! He should DIE so her life won't be complicated.

I was only taking note of how you blame the mother of the child, and do not call into that same dark judgment the father.
Egg and sperm, remember?


Don't ever call a defenseless and tender little child a bastard,
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:10 PM   #96 (permalink)
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I was only taking note of how you blame the mother of the child, and do not call into that same dark judgment the father.
Egg and sperm, remember?

Absolutely right OD, but my point was that the woman is always left with the baby, unlike the father she cannot run away!

Unfair but true!

Don't ever call a defenseless and tender little child a bastard,
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But it's a linguistical reality, not a slur. Like homo.

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Why is it that a pre-human can get such special rights but someone who is already born is fucked?
Because that someone (who is already born) DID SOMETHING to deserve to die. What did the UNBORN baby do to DESERVE death?? Besides interfere with his irresponsible parents convenience?

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It seems to me that most pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty, and also against any sort of social healthcare, or welfare or anything that helps REAL people. Until a baby is born, it is my contention that it is a parasite.
Key words "my contention". It is NOT a "parasite". It is as yet UNborn human baby.

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Which sounds cold, and maybe even deragatory, but it is neither. It is simply a statement of the fact that the baby can not live on it's own,
Neither can a newborn baby live on it's own. Now what? You should have the right to kill all children who aren't able to live without the assistance of another?

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and is subject to the will of the mother. The mother has the right to do with her body as she chooses,
With her body, not the body of her own unborn baby. She had the right NOT to get pregnant, didn't she? What did she do to get that way? She CHOSE to have sex. Now she needs to live with the consequences. If she didn't want a pregnancy, she should have chosen (i.e., her right to her body) to use protection or abstain. She irresponsibly did NOT make the right choice when she decided to have sex. Killing an unborn baby after the fact (of her irresponsibility) is unacceptable.

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and if she chooses to not share it with another creature, I see it as no more damning than being de-wormed.
Key words, "I see it as....." In other words, it's only your VIEWPOINT.
Actually the baby is not a part of her body as a wart or tumor. In many cases, the fetus doesn't even have the same blood type as it's mother. So how can you believe it's a parasite....like worms. Indeed!
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Garysher,

I feel that you disregarded the wishes of the admin here by starting a topic on the use of the word homo in the off topic at all, when you and others were in such a knock down drag out fight in the forums regarding gay rights, and admin did lock that forum altogether for a season.

So you totally were rude to come and start to hash out your hatred in the off topic.

Now you cannot leave it out of this topic, we are talking about abortion here.

I find it hard to respect someone who is so unkind and rude. Surely you do not hope to convince anyone of a brighter light, a higher way, or a deeper love to be found in the principles you live by since you cannot articulate them with any protocol and civility.

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I was only taking note of how you blame the mother of the child, and do not call into that same dark judgment the father.
Egg and sperm, remember?


Don't ever call a defenseless and tender little child a bastard,
Observer.

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Would it be better just to abort/kill the defenseless and tender little child?
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I thought this was about aborting fetuses, not murdering children....is somebody suggesting kindergarten gas chambers?
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