Wow, hows that hateraid taste today?

Who said anything about them deciding? You objected to them having an opinion.

No, but plenty of women have an opinion on the matter and no decent man would tell his partner it's none of her business.

I refute that assumption utterly. Some people regard sex as an act of love, regardless of the intended outcome. And anyway, what's wrong with lust and why do you imply that only males are capable of it? Don't judge everyone by your standards.

Why wouldn't it arise? Maybe one parent wants the child and the other doesn't. Maybe they both did and one of them changed their mind. But then you're not thinking of two people are you, you're only thinking about the one who's entitled to an opinion.

Preacherman it is not that hard. Practicing will take minutes.

Being English, I have not the faintest idea of what that comment is supposed to mean.

I don't object to them having an opinion, only to them voicing such opinions.

In any event, I do not see how you can compare a piece of foreskin with an unborn child.

If there is love involved then a child of that love would be a great joy to them, surely? Not a thing to be discussed whether to be allowed to live or not? There is nothing wrong with a bit of healthy lust, imo....and yes, men are far more interested in sex for the sake of it than normal women are. So now you are presuming to tell me that you know what my standards are?

It is not something that should just rest on a whim of mind that changes from one day to the next.Yes. It is the woman's body that will be involved, and most of the time the woman that will bear the brunt of the upbringing and care of the child for the next 20 years or so.

What a tremendous irony that a poster named 'baloney-detector' thinks this is a 'great' essay.

Oh I see. Pardon me for not recognising your generosity.

Excuse me? You introduced that comparison, not me.

That doesn't necessarily follow. What you're implying is that if two people who love each other want to express that love through sex, then they must inevitably want children, and that simply isn't a reasonable assumption.

I didn't need to, you've just done it for me. You are judging the sexual motivations of all men AND all women by what is true for you personally. You have even suggested that women who enjoy it more than you are not normal. How much more judgemental can you get?

I never said it should. What I have said is that it's not as black and white as the the choicers OR the lifers would like it to be, that circumstances alter cases. I believe that while some abortions are justified and some are necessary, others are neither, and if I haven't said it already I'll say now that I don't regard mere convenience as a justification.

And BOTH parents emotions are involved, but I am starting to get the impression you don't think men are capable of that either.

Yet another unjustifiable assumption. I know several stay at home fathers and they are excellent parents.

ok

You couldn't wait to pick up on it though.

In that case they should use some form of contraception. Like male sterilisation.

Not at all. We are not all so irresponsible about sex as you appear to be.

I didn't say that either.

It is well known that a standing prick has no conscience.

You seem to have a sad selection of friends. I suppose all their wives (/partners) left them because they were such wimps?

Because it was a ridiculous thing to say, and now you've realised that and are trying to blame me for it.

Why? If I don't want kids now, why can't I have them next year, or the year after....?

Cheap shot and gets you nowhere. Point to ONE thing that I have said that indicates an unwillingness on my part to take my responsibilities seriously.

No, I did. That was me, saying what I think about abortion. You know, my opinion, that thing I'm not allowed to express? Tough shit, frankly. When I need your permission I'll ask for it.


So what? Your hands have no conscience, it is the mind operating them that is responsible for what you write. You are clearly trying to suggest that men have no conscious control over their sexual activity, which indicates to me nothing more than received prejudice and a poor choice of men on your part.

No, they go out to work while the man stays at home raising the kids. What's wimpy about that?

Yeah, we should always form our conclusions concerning what some forum user posts here based on what that user's name is.