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Old 09-11-2005, 03:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The reason it is incredibly stupid to let the states individually decide to make abortion illegal would be the results of this. Some states would ban it while others wouldn't.

This would create a situation where women would have to travel to receive care, and those too poor or ashamed to get care would receive dangerous care in the back alley so to speak.

It is a silly notion, this law needs to be on a federal level.
The point is that it is not the court's place to fix our laws. This is where the judiciary becomes dangerously close to usurping the power of the legislative branch. In Roe, the court was not supposed to decide what it belived was best for the country, it was supposed to decide whether or not it was constitutional for states to restrict abortion. This is where the court failed.
I see your point but this is not the case to use to try to reign in the courts, it would be much too dangerous for the American people, and at the end of the day the job of the government is to do what is best for the people.
If we do not hold the government to an established standard such as the Constitution, they will be able to do whatever they like in the name of "doing what is best". This is what our founders feared; in the PA colony, the majority was able to decide "what was best" and oppressed minorities like Catholics and Quakers. It would be more dangerous if we allowed the court to continue overstepping its bounds.
No, what would be more dangerous is to have states where Christianity is the majority influence ban abortion and create an unsafe environment for women to live. I find the notion disgusting to allow religion to affect our constituients in such an unconstiutional manner.
WRONG! When the highest court in the branch of the judiciary does not respect our Constitution, an "unsafe environment" for both women and men is created. And what does religion have to do with whether or not the Constitution is violated? I smell a red herring...

There is no reason to overturn Roe Vs. Wade except for religious reasons. My guess is you are trying to find a loop hole because you are Christian and therefore against abortion. That is the only smell of herring I can detect.

Having different laws on abortion in different states would only weaken our strength as a nation.
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The reason it is incredibly stupid to let the states individually decide to make abortion illegal would be the results of this. Some states would ban it while others wouldn't.

This would create a situation where women would have to travel to receive care, and those too poor or ashamed to get care would receive dangerous care in the back alley so to speak.

It is a silly notion, this law needs to be on a federal level.
The point is that it is not the court's place to fix our laws. This is where the judiciary becomes dangerously close to usurping the power of the legislative branch. In Roe, the court was not supposed to decide what it belived was best for the country, it was supposed to decide whether or not it was constitutional for states to restrict abortion. This is where the court failed.
I see your point but this is not the case to use to try to reign in the courts, it would be much too dangerous for the American people, and at the end of the day the job of the government is to do what is best for the people.
If we do not hold the government to an established standard such as the Constitution, they will be able to do whatever they like in the name of "doing what is best". This is what our founders feared; in the PA colony, the majority was able to decide "what was best" and oppressed minorities like Catholics and Quakers. It would be more dangerous if we allowed the court to continue overstepping its bounds.
No, what would be more dangerous is to have states where Christianity is the majority influence ban abortion and create an unsafe environment for women to live. I find the notion disgusting to allow religion to affect our constituients in such an unconstiutional manner.
WRONG! When the highest court in the branch of the judiciary does not respect our Constitution, an "unsafe environment" for both women and men is created. And what does religion have to do with whether or not the Constitution is violated? I smell a red herring...

There is no reason to overturn Roe Vs. Wade except for religious reasons. My guess is you are trying to find a loop hole because you are Christian and therefore against abortion. That is the only smell of herring I can detect.

Having different laws on abortion in different states would only weaken our strength as a nation.
Only because the crazy liberals would riot...
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Only because the crazy liberals would riot...

Wouldn't only be liberals. That you can be sure of...
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Half of the nation believe abortion to me immoral, the other half to be moral. I would leave it up to the states, put it in the peoples hand what they want in their own state, thats the way things should be.
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Half of the nation believe abortion to me immoral, the other half to be moral. I would leave it up to the states, put it in the peoples hand what they want in their own state, thats the way things should be.

That would create a terrible situation for this country and greatly divide it. It would weaken the state of the union beyond repair.
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The reason it is incredibly stupid to let the states individually decide to make abortion illegal would be the results of this. Some states would ban it while others wouldn't.

This would create a situation where women would have to travel to receive care, and those too poor or ashamed to get care would receive dangerous care in the back alley so to speak.

It is a silly notion, this law needs to be on a federal level.
The point is that it is not the court's place to fix our laws. This is where the judiciary becomes dangerously close to usurping the power of the legislative branch. In Roe, the court was not supposed to decide what it belived was best for the country, it was supposed to decide whether or not it was constitutional for states to restrict abortion. This is where the court failed.
I see your point but this is not the case to use to try to reign in the courts, it would be much too dangerous for the American people, and at the end of the day the job of the government is to do what is best for the people.
If we do not hold the government to an established standard such as the Constitution, they will be able to do whatever they like in the name of "doing what is best". This is what our founders feared; in the PA colony, the majority was able to decide "what was best" and oppressed minorities like Catholics and Quakers. It would be more dangerous if we allowed the court to continue overstepping its bounds.
No, what would be more dangerous is to have states where Christianity is the majority influence ban abortion and create an unsafe environment for women to live. I find the notion disgusting to allow religion to affect our constituients in such an unconstiutional manner.
I agree. I fear that Christians will be the ultimate down fall of this great nation.
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Only because the crazy liberals would riot...

Wouldn't only be liberals. That you can be sure of...
That's for damn sure, it'd be anyone and everyone who believes in women's rights.
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The reason it is incredibly stupid to let the states individually decide to make abortion illegal would be the results of this. Some states would ban it while others wouldn't.

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It is a silly notion, this law needs to be on a federal level.
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No, what would be more dangerous is to have states where Christianity is the majority influence ban abortion and create an unsafe environment for women to live. I find the notion disgusting to allow religion to affect our constituients in such an unconstiutional manner.
I agree. I fear that Christians will be the ultimate down fall of this great nation.

When you base ideas around what is a lie at its core I don't see how the results could be anything but disasterous. I hope it is a path this country does not choose to follow.
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We have argued over state's rights at least once before in this country... And it lead to the federal government setting all them there Negroes free... Now they want to let the women stay free too... What'll come of this country... We should be good christians and keep our women bare-foot and pregnant in the kitchen and keep our negroes in line and on the farm right?
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We have argued over state's rights at least once before in this country... And it lead to the federal government setting all them there Negroes free... Now they want to let the women stay free too... What'll come of this country... We should be good christians and keep our women bare-foot and pregnant in the kitchen and keep our negroes in line and on the farm right?

There is probably a decent size republican minority that wishes this unfortunately. I wish I was kidding.
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