You're welcome Ridin. I guess the point I was trying to make though, is that one has to weigh all the consequences. But to do so, that means the individual themselves has to have that choice. I know from personal experience, that having that choice is important. Yes, I risked my life to have my babies. And by doing so, my choice would affect those in my life. I had alot of people telling me to do otherwise, not just medical but family and friends as well. Because to them I was the priority to them.

But at least they respected my choice at a great hardship and fear of their own for my welfare.

And I for one, can't see legally making it so another woman can't choose for herself, simply cause my own personal choice was to risk my life. I can't expect another woman, who's body is equally unsuitable for childbirth, to have to risk her own life if she doesn't feel like doing so.

Everyone thinks it's so simple to take birth control or to abstain...But if your body isn't designed to cope with birth control (like mine, and it's not as rare as some would lead you to believe), or they are in a committed loving relationship where sex is one of the expressions of that relationship? Abstaining isn't viable either.

So, if pregnancy results, women must have the right to choose for themselves, if they are in a position to be able to make an informed decision that is (that excludes minor or where the woman is unable to give a decision due to coma/conciesness), she should have that ability to say yes or no.

I live with daily reminders of the difficulties of pregnancy and delievery. My insides are scarred from making those choices to continue on with my pregnancies. I still have nerve and blood vessel damage that causes me to loose ability for blood flow, walking, etc...But at least I was free to make those choices. As are women to choose otherwise so they don't have the complications of daily living that I choose to live with.

Most people agree that abortion has to be an option if the mother's life is at risk.

This thread is about the use of abortion as a means of birth control.

And the use of euphemisms like "pro-choice" to disguise the fact that a baby is being killed

a. No, it's not. It's about the dangers of abortion.

b. No it's not. It's because people who believe in a woman's "right to choose" are "pro-choice." Using phrases like baby butchers and baby murderers are just inflammatory and hysterical phrases used to guide the gullible further towards a government that regulates the most private aspects of our lives.

And I notice a complete and total absence of any credible refutation.


Thank you. I assume you're a gynecologist, considering that "your word" is supposed to stand as its own authority.




...and what does religion have to do with this - other than exposing your anti-religious bigotry?

Most people have their biases.

You have already articulated yours!

I guess it went over his head that what I was describing was one reason 'abortion as a birthcontrol method' would be used by women in my situation? Unless he supports the standing that women who are aware of having risky pregnancy should then have their rights removed by insisting that they have to abstain from sexual relationships, have their reproductive organs removed, or their sexual partners should have their reproductive abilities removed to prevent the event of a predetermined condition of pregnancy risks?

Wouldn't surprise me in the least though...That he'd be fanatical enough to impede freedom of choice over a woman's body to those measures as well...

Ali-May, calm down your hysteria and read this

Most people agree with abortion if the mother's life is at risk

Got that?

Unfortunately, the pro-abortionists LIE and act as though "risk to the mother" is the primary reason for abortion - when, in truth, it accounts for no more than 1%-2% of all abortions.

Having an abortion is riskier to women then bringing the baby to term.



And I've also noticed a COMPLETE LACK of any refutation of ANY of the points made - other than varying degrees of "who you believe" regarding the connection of abortions with Breast Cancer.

I guess hysterics are to be preferred over facts.

You're deffinately the professional when it comes to perferring hysterics over facts. One day, you'll have to remove those blinders you are effectively using when ignoring facts that refute your gossip.

You can claim all you want that 'abortion is riskier then pregnancy', scream 'pro-abortionists/baby killers', and simply ignore that your 'proof' clearly refutes your claims by their own admittance to lying...It still isn't fact just cause you keep repeating the gossip.

You've been refuted numerous times by your own sources as well as posters here...You'd actually know that if you'd stop the 'nah, nah, nah I didn't hear you' responses.

And once again, absolutely no facts.

Nothing.

Zilch.

Nada.