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Old 03-11-2007, 03:39 PM   #101 (permalink)
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[color=black]Actually, there is no such thing as "unique" DNA for the vast majority of muti-celled organisms...
As I stated, the idea that as humans we each have a unique genetic code, is well established in both science and law. If it were not, we would not worry about genetic profiles when it comes to legal cases. Again, you try to overwhelm with the minute details of science and ignore the larger philosophical issue at hand. Furthermore, you still cannot ignore the fact that as humans we have 46 chromosomes. A mother has 46, a father has 46, and the unborn fertilized egg has 46. The 46 that the mother has is different than the 46 the embryo has, as well as any other individuals.

If DNA were unique it would not be accepted in the court as having ability of proving innocence or guilt.

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Ok. But then, why stop there…at the yet to be born (and already born)?


There is substantial evidence to support the hypothesis that unfertilized human eggs can hold just as much potential for viable human life as fertilized eggs do…through induced parthenogenesis. And, there is even more evidence to support the hypothesis that humans can be cloned. Once these techniques progress to the point where we can realize the potential of unfertilized human eggs and the genetic code within undifferentiated cells, and I don’t think we are very far off from doing either, I think both of these precursors of potentially viable human life would have to be legally protected, in order to remain consistent, if a just-fertilized human egg is to be protected based solely on its potential.

(And, similarly, just like with the term “life,” the terms “human” and “human being”-and even the term “person”-are ultimately subjective for the same reason that the term “life” is ultimately subjective.)
Again, unfertilized eggs only contain 23 chromosomes, a human has 46. In cloning, you are not gaining a unique genetic profile. We are arguing now about potential and actual life. Science is very specific in its definitions, the words zygote, embryo and fetus all contain the words life.

I provided an argument that was not based on opinion or belief, but instead the constitution......sort of throws in the dump the constitutionality of choice.


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Old 03-12-2007, 08:48 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Uh... Billy, that is what people generally do in a political debate forum.

If you don't like it, I suggest you find something else to do with your time.
I prefer facts and reality. I am just funny that way.
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Here's a novel idea, if you don't care about other people's opinion and gement, then don't post........

By posting you provide us with your opinion and personal judgement, either welcome others, or just sit there and keep you mouth shut.

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Old 03-12-2007, 08:52 AM   #104 (permalink)
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I prefer facts and reality. I am just funny that way.
It's just that you never provide any facts and reality. You just blather on with your Liberal Mantra & hype.
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It's just that you never provide any facts and reality. You just blather on with your Liberal Mantra & hype.
Nice meaningless rant.
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Nice meaningless rant.
Nice meaningless troll.

No facts.
No credible evidence.
No logic.
No content.


Yep, must be a billyboobama post.
Old 03-12-2007, 10:23 AM   #107 (permalink)
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I don't care the least bit about opinions. Opinions are wasted cyberspace. To be meaningful I prefer reality and facts.
The internet is just so full of facts,

and you are certainly in the wrong place if you don't want to hear anybody's opinion.....pretty opinionated bunch we have here.
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The internet is just so full of facts,

and you are certainly in the wrong place if you don't want to hear anybody's opinion.....pretty opinionated bunch we have here.
I just find debate based on lies, rants and seperation of reality to be a waste of time and effort that accomplishes nothing.
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I just find debate based on lies, rants and seperation of reality to be a waste of time and effort that accomplishes nothing.
Then stop doing it.
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The preamble clearly provides that it is our responsibility to secure the blessings of liberty to our posterity. Posterity means future generations, in other words, those yet to be born. Clearly if promoting the general welfare is established law of the land, then, liberty must also apply to those yet to be born. The most fundamental of all liberties is the right to life. Therefore, under the Constitution of the United States abortion should be prohibited.

Now I have provided a rationale argument against abortion that is not based upon my personal beliefs, nor my religious beliefs, but rather on the Constitution.

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An interesting arguement, I must admit, but there is one major flaw in it.

The Constitution applies to citizens. A citizen is a person that was either BORN in the US or naturalized here. The unborn are disqualified by this definition.
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