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Originally Posted by lipstickxrodeo  rrrrrrrrrrrright the male should butt out of it?
So when the father of a child wants his baby, and the mother carrying the child doesn't, the father should just butt out because he doesn't have the uterus that holds the baby? | Well that is a separate situation alltogether. I was speaking from the perspective that the legality of an abortion is to be discussed by women not men.
In the individual situations OF COURSE it is a COUPLE's decision. WHen you are a COUPLE, such a decision should certainly be made consensually.
But my point is that the DEBATE on whether abortion is "right" or "wrong" is something that men really are not qualified to express themselves on. The repercussions of an abortion are felt by WOMEN and they are also the ones who have to make the decision and finally go through with it. Therefore THEY should handle the debate. Quote:
Originally Posted by lipstickxrodeo And this "Likewise none of us have any figures on how many unwanted pregnancies are terminated simply because it is a CHILD that is pregnant. We also don't know how many women choose to have an abortion because their social and economic situation does not allow them to raise a child. How many would be forced to raise a child singlehandedly ( granted some do it, but not all feel up to the task). " is outrageous. | You don't really tell me how it is outrageous, so why not give that a try. Quote:
Originally Posted by lipstickxrodeo I could rant but I'm going to restrict it to this. IF you are so financially strapped that you can't afford to go to a FREE CLINIC THAT OFFERS FREE BIRTHCONTROL and FREE CONDOMS, then DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE SEX. And have we all forgotten that this is what welfare was set up for intially? Not to help lazy people who don't want to work, but rather to help families who direly need help. And what does a social situation have to do with anything? | Look the point is that inspite of ALL THE ABOVE women STILL have abortions and the debate is STILL raging. My point was however that some women consider that their life does not allow them to RAISE A CHILD. THe question is WHO decides whether a WOMANDKIND is to be given the choice to abort? I do not think that MANKIND is at all qualified to give or take away that right. Only WOMANKIND is and therefore the abortion debate is WOMANKIND'S debate. The best us men can do is to give our opinions and then support the decision made by womankind. I mean dammit mankind decided whether womankind could VOTE. Isn't it about time that womankind makes a decision for MANKIND?
I think you may have misunderstood my stance initially.
To summarize; whne a couple is a couple, it is the woman's duty to involve the prospective father. However in the end the simple biological fact is that no abortion can happen without the WOMAN wanting one.
Since WOMEN are the ones who go through the procedure and they are the only ones who can view the situation from the perspective of COMPLETE involvement (mind body and soul) they are the only ones who can TRULY resolve the debate. The best men can hope to do (if they consiuder themselves to be as qualified to make a decision) is to clutter up the issue with their egos. Quote:
Originally Posted by lipstickxrodeo People hurt my head. | No no .. i don't think people do. It may however be the process of thinking  Love for all, Hatred for none | 
03-08-2007, 01:33 AM
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