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| highly UNlikely *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Block Captain ![]() Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Adirondack Park, NY Gender: ![]() Posts: 448
| My memory of it is vague. But it seems to me legal scholars have observed that in the event Roe v. Wade were overturned; that one reversal would NOT render abortion illegal throughout the U.S. Instead, according to my memory of that article (read perhaps years ago) it would simply send the dispute back to the States. There, it seems some States would outlaw it. Others might not. In that case, the "blue" States would probably benefit economically from the "red" State hypocrites; seeking legal, safe OB/GYN procedures unavailable in "red" States. "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." Oscar Wilde | |||||||||||||||||||||
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(The US Supreme Court simply isn't going to overturn it's own decision, no matter which justices are sitting at the bench. It just ISN'T going to happen.) | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Block Captain ![]() Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Adirondack Park, NY Gender: ![]() Posts: 448
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I'm skeptical about that. But settle it with the Masons. Quote:
Possibly so. But apart from stare decisis, there's a tradition in the U.S. that law with this many decades of tenure be treated as "settled law". There are exceptions. But generally the doctrine of "settled law" applies. C.J. Robers is said to be a conservative. We may soon find out whether he's a social conservative (& overturn Roe v. Wade), or a legal conservative and let it stand. Quote:
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| I don't think I really buy into this. I certainly see where you are coming from, but it is an ethical issue, and ethics are gender neutral. It becomes a male issue for many reasons. Men are still required in order to conceive a child, so depending on the relationship with the mother, they may warrant some say, and in many cases it may be a male doctor who either has to perform the abortion, or present it as an option. Furthermore, I don't think anyone would argue that it becomes an issue where a man has input in the case where the mother's life is in jeopardy. I for one know that if the woman who I love were going to die in birth, I'd want her to have an abortion. Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand. http://www.armysailor.com http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog ------------------------------------ Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere Quixotic Journey | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Oh, I'd just like to see the exact cases whereby the US Supreme Court essentially throw out an earlier US Supreme Court ruling...none of which these citations provide. And we aren't taking about lower court rulings being thrown out by the US Supreme Court either, right? (I could be wrong, but I don't recall hearing the highest court in the land ever, essentially and officially, "correcting itself.") | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| I don't know of 200 of them - I know they reversed their own ruling on whether it was cruel and unusual punishment to impose a death penalty on a crime committed by somebody under 18. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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That would not meet my definition of of reversing "itself". I recall a case related to the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance. Even before a Presidential Decree and an act of Congress added the words "under god" to it, I believe a religious group, Jehovah's Witnesses perhaps, submitted objection about it. I believe the ruling was reversed in fairly short order, a few years, if I recall correctly. But bd, you seem to be surprised that SCOTUS has this power. I agree, due to the doctrine of "finality" (& or related ...) SCOTUS rulings should be final. BUT !!! They should be decided wisely in the first place. They are not always. Their own authority to reverse their earlier ruling is one of the remedies for that. Quote:
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Plessy v Ferguesson 1897 established the basis of separate but equal. Brown v Board of Education 1954 overturned the decision. The misguided myth that because Roe v Wade is a well established rule of law is just that a myth. Roe decided in 1973 is only 34 years old, Plessy was 57 when it was finally overturned. Furthermore, the basic premise of Roe remains, that under liberty a woman has the right to choose, however, Roe also established the three trimester clarification which stated that in the first trimester the decision was between the mother and doctor and the government should have no interferrence, in the second trimester the government was allowed to restrict certain procedures and in the third trimester the government had to weigh the potential life of the fetus and could restrict the availability of abortions or only allow abortions to save the life or maternal health. In 1989, Webster v Reproductive Health Services for the most part scrapped the trimester theory established in Roe and replaced it with viability following 20 weeks. Interestingly enough, Webster also upheld the establish of life at conception. So it would seem that there is a possibility that the Court could overturn Roe v Wade, which would return the decision to the states and the people where it belongs. dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| issues of civil rights should NEVER be left "to the people" that is the reason we are a constiutional democratic republic we don't put the rights of others up to public vote *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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