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Old 03-20-2007, 08:33 PM   #91 (permalink)
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No, it's NOT half right. It's completely correct.

And it's a CLASSIC example of how partisan hacks twist and distort facts in order to pursue a lie.

"Abstinence only" did NOT result in increased teen pregnancies in Texas. What DID happen is that teen pregnancies fell "more slowly" in Texas than in many other states. Further, when you consider the disproportionate number of Hispanics in Texas and California, it further evidences the SUCCESS of an abstinence only curriculum.

Not only did it fall more slowly, it STOPPED falling way below the national average.

You don't see how these may be connected?
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And "those" teenagers aren't going to be responsible enough, or smart enough, or strong enough, to put on condoms, take the pills, or use whatever other form of birth control is readily available.

It's sad but true.

Are you saying that those who are not smart enough or strong enough to use birth control are going to be smart enough or strong enough to NOT have sex?
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Not only did it fall more slowly, it STOPPED falling way below the national average.

You don't see how these may be connected?
Yes, I see how it is NOT connected.

Are you forgetting the inordinately high number of Hispanics that are in Texas? Trust me, I'm not being racist about this (I used to live in a VERY highly Hispanic area, and enjoyed my time there), but it is an accepted Hispanic cultural norm that the teenage girls are often sexually active and/or married well before they're 18. Do you not see how this will affect "the numbers" in both California and Texas?

People are CHOOSING to misrepresent, and lie, about what facts and figures mean.
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Are you saying that those who are not smart enough or strong enough to use birth control are going to be smart enough or strong enough to NOT have sex?
No. And you know that's not what I'm saying.

What I AM saying is that there ARE teenagers - and adults - who are morons. Not mentally retarded, but morons. They make STUPID DECISIONS regardless of every effort to help them NOT make stupid decisions.

In many ways, all we've managed to do is make it easier for stupid people to continue to make stupid decisions.
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My guess: those who are going to have sex are going to have sex. Period. IF they have birth control and std protection information, some of them will use it; some will not. If they don't have the information, NONE will use it.

Education is always the best way. Not all will avail themselves of information - but it's better than NOBODY.
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Yes, I see how it is NOT connected.

Are you forgetting the inordinately high number of Hispanics that are in Texas? Trust me, I'm not being racist about this (I used to live in a VERY highly Hispanic area, and enjoyed my time there), but it is an accepted Hispanic cultural norm that the teenage girls are often sexually active and/or married well before they're 18. Do you not see how this will affect "the numbers" in both California and Texas?

People are CHOOSING to misrepresent, and lie, about what facts and figures mean.
Certainly you don't believe that the Hispanic population is responsible for the slowdown? Tell me that you are not thinking that one minority group is having so many babies that it overruns all of the other numbers...
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No. And you know that's not what I'm saying.

What I AM saying is that there ARE teenagers - and adults - who are morons. Not mentally retarded, but morons. They make STUPID DECISIONS regardless of every effort to help them NOT make stupid decisions.

In many ways, all we've managed to do is make it easier for stupid people to continue to make stupid decisions.
So then, what is your recommendation to help slow the teen pregnancy rate?
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Certainly you don't believe that the Hispanic population is responsible for the slowdown? Tell me that you are not thinking that one minority group is having so many babies that it overruns all of the other numbers...
That is EXACTLY what I'm driving at.

And I know you'll do the typical Liberal thing and start screaming that I'm a racist. But you're wrong.

The community where I used to live was 30% Hispanic - but the elementary school was nearly 60% Hispanic kids. FACT: Hispanic immigrants have more children, at younger ages, then Caucasians. It is a FACT that it's culturally expected that Hispanic girls will be sexually active and/or married at a very young age.

Can you NOT see the connection?
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So then, what is your recommendation to help slow the teen pregnancy rate?
My recommendation is that you read what I've already said about 5 times in this thread.
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My recommendation is that you read what I've already said about 5 times in this thread.
I should probably rephrase the question...

You advocate abstinence (which I think is a good thing) but you acknowledge that those who would not be responsible enough to use birth control would probably not be responsible enough to practice abstinence.

Bearing these things in mind, what to you think it the solution to the teem pregnancy problem?
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