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| Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Omaha Beach Posts: 7,298
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First of all, they're lying. The teen birth rates in Texas did NOT "go up" after Abstinence Only classes began. The TRUTH is that they "declined slower" than most of the other states in America. Big difference. Second, these "sources" are not taking into consideration racial & cultural pressures on these statistics. I used to live in a HIGHLY Hispanic city. Almost all the Hispanics I knew and worked with were great people - hard-working family-oriented folks. However, they like their alcohol way too much, and they fully expect teenagers to be extremely active sexually. These factors will greatly affect the teen pregnancy numbers in highly Hispanic states like Texas. Bottom Line: Abstinence Only Sex Education works as well, or better than, any other kind of sex education. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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I will refer you back to the statistical set. If you look at the data that went to 2000 and the set that went to 2002, the REST of the nation dropped another 5% nationally. Texas STOPPED DEAD just under 18%. Honestly, that doesn't incline me to think that abstinence education is working. Admittedly I would need a year by year graph to properly analyze it. I still say that abstinence AND birth control education is the best in the long run. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Sort of. I'd agree with you in saying that in order to achieve the best results we should use the two in conjunction. But if we HAD to choose one or the other, which would have the best effect? "An intellectual is going to have doubts, for example, about a fundamentalist religious doctrine that admits no doubt, about an imposed political system that allows no doubt, about a perfect aesthetic that has no room for doubt." ~ Antonio Tabucchi | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 37
| If the choices were exclusively abstinence or the pill, I think it would have to be the pill. You can't educate away a million years of instinct and you can't enforce abstinence except by locking them in a box and feeding them through a tube and end up with a severely repressed adult. When a young person's body says it's time, then it's time, and no amount of moralising will ever change that simple biological fact. THIS IS NOT WAR. THIS IS PEST CONTROL! | |||||||||||||||||||||
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"An intellectual is going to have doubts, for example, about a fundamentalist religious doctrine that admits no doubt, about an imposed political system that allows no doubt, about a perfect aesthetic that has no room for doubt." ~ Antonio Tabucchi | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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I am sorry, but you give the children no credit. Why is it hard to believe that if presented with the facts, the true facts and not scare stories that our children cannot make informed decision regarding their conduct??? Day in and day out there are young people's bodies that are saying it is time, and day in and day out there are those who consciously decide to not engage in gratification. Some do so for religious reasons, some economical, others because they wish to better themselves by continuing their education. And some do it because they want that first time to be special. What are we to say to them???? dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| I don't think that I could truly choose between the two. Abstainence or the pill puts the majority (BC) responsibility on only one of the couple. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| The kids are capable of self-control, but promoting Abstainance only (AO) is a problem in the society that we currently live in. Kids are inundated with sexual messages and instant gratification. Is it any wonder that they behave the way that some do? AO education runs counter to what society is telling them. Since the society is not about to suddenly change direction, we have to look at this in a reaslistic way. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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