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Old 03-17-2007, 07:43 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I know you can't, but your opinion seems to be the common one on this topic.
Basically, I suspect, because many of us recognize that the information that we have is not going to cover every situation. It would be tragic to find out, down the road, that young women that were trying to be responsible are unable to have babies because of that.
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Basically, I suspect, because many of us recognize that the information that we have is not going to cover every situation. It would be tragic to find out, down the road, that young women that were trying to be responsible are unable to have babies because of that.
Yeah, Jefferson mentioned that.

I guess people should just stop having sex out of wedlock.
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Yeah, Jefferson mentioned that.

I guess people should just stop having sex out of wedlock.

I should never say never say never so I will say....That will never happen

*Durnit I said it!!!
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I should never say never say never so I will say....That will never happen

*Durnit I said it!!!
Hahaha. Touche.

I know it won't. But it would have multiple benefits if it did.
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Yeah, Jefferson mentioned that.

I guess people should just stop having sex out of wedlock.
Here is one of the situations where SHOULD is irrelevant. We have to (for survival purposes) recognize what people WILL do rather than what they should. Unless we look at this, there will still be tins of unexcpected/unwanted babies.
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I see. Interesting point of view. So are most people on here agreed that the Pill shouldn't be the first option in the way of birth control for teenage girls?
I, for one am, I have seen the pill wreak havoc on the systems of some of my friends who were not teens. It just seems foolhardy to risk it with young women whose hormones are not yet matured.
Old 03-17-2007, 09:34 PM   #57 (permalink)
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i myself am for a womens right to chose but if the chirstian conservetives want to take away condums and birth control pills that even in debating those issues is a invasion of privacy.
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Pope John Paul II, wrote a message regarding his opposition to birth control. Now many criticize the Catholic Church for their opposition to birth control, but have they ever really listen to the reason for the opposition. Yes we all know that according to the church, sex outside of marriage is a sin, yet the church recognizes that we are all sinners, and that through accepting Jesus Christ we redeem ourselves, however, that is only a portion of what the Pope wrote.

In his opposition to birth control, the Pope questioned whether it was a good idea for women? By reverting sex to a mere act of pleasure, not associated with love and marriage, does this not revert women to the very status that they have been fighting for years to overcome???

Perhaps his word can say much better than I ever could:

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Within this same cultural climate, the body is no longer perceived as a properly personal reality, a sign and place of relations with others, with God and with the world. It is reduced to pure materiality: it is simply a complex of organs, functions and energies to be used according to the sole criteria of pleasure and efficiency. Consequently, sexuality too is depersonalized and exploited: from being the sign, place and language of love, that is, of the gift of self and acceptance of another, in all the other's richness as a person, it increasingly becomes the occasion and instrument for self-assertion and the selfish satisfaction of personal desires and instincts. Thus the original import of human sexuality is distorted and falsified, and the two meanings, unitive and procreative, inherent in the very nature of the conjugal act, are artificially separated: in this way the marriage union is betrayed and its fruitfulness is subjected to the caprice of the couple. Procreation then becomes the "enemy" to be avoided in sexual activity: if it is welcomed, this is only because it expresses a desire, or indeed the intention, to have a child "at all costs", and not because it signifies the complete acceptance of the other and therefore an openness to the richness of life which the child represents.

In the materialistic perspective described so far, interpersonal relations are seriously impoverished. The first to be harmed are women, children, the sick or suffering, and the elderly. The criterion of personal dignity—which demands respect, generosity and service—is replaced by the criterion of efficiency, functionality and usefulness: others are considered not for what they "are", but for what they "have, do and produce". This is the supremacy of the strong over the weak.
You see, the very thing feminism seeks to combat, in his view it actually supports, go figure.

So what should we teach young teenage girls??? many have already discussed the dangers of using hormonal birth control pills and devices. We all know that the use of spermicidals, condoms or even sponges is not 100% effective. So we say abstinence, yet when we say this, the response from its critics are that well they are going to do it anyway. Well is that a valid reponse???

I agree that the school have some part in teaching sex education. However, we must define that part. I am all for them teaching how the act works. What the act is meant for, procreation. And the risks of having sex must be included. Not only are there the unwanted pregnancies, but there are STDs, cancer, and new list of emotional problems. If we continue to think that regardless of what we say they are still going to do it, we do not give our younger and future generations much credit. If we present them with the truth and the facts, we can hope that they will make the right decision.

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Pope John Paul II, wrote a message regarding his opposition to birth control. Now many criticize the Catholic Church for their opposition to birth control, but have they ever really listen to the reason for the opposition. Yes we all know that according to the church, sex outside of marriage is a sin, yet the church recognizes that we are all sinners, and that through accepting Jesus Christ we redeem ourselves, however, that is only a portion of what the Pope wrote.

In his opposition to birth control, the Pope questioned whether it was a good idea for women? By reverting sex to a mere act of pleasure, not associated with love and marriage, does this not revert women to the very status that they have been fighting for years to overcome???

Perhaps his word can say much better than I ever could:



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Within this same cultural climate, the body is no longer perceived as a properly personal reality, a sign and place of relations with others, with God and with the world. It is reduced to pure materiality: it is simply a complex of organs, functions and energies to be used according to the sole criteria of pleasure and efficiency. Consequently, sexuality too is depersonalized and exploited: from being the sign, place and language of love, that is, of the gift of self and acceptance of another, in all the other's richness as a person, it increasingly becomes the occasion and instrument for self-assertion and the selfish satisfaction of personal desires and instincts. Thus the original import of human sexuality is distorted and falsified, and the two meanings, unitive and procreative, inherent in the very nature of the conjugal act, are artificially separated: in this way the marriage union is betrayed and its fruitfulness is subjected to the caprice of the couple. Procreation then becomes the "enemy" to be avoided in sexual activity: if it is welcomed, this is only because it expresses a desire, or indeed the intention, to have a child "at all costs", and not because it signifies the complete acceptance of the other and therefore an openness to the richness of life which the child represents.

In the materialistic perspective described so far, interpersonal relations are seriously impoverished. The first to be harmed are women, children, the sick or suffering, and the elderly. The criterion of personal dignity—which demands respect, generosity and service—is replaced by the criterion of efficiency, functionality and usefulness: others are considered not for what they "are", but for what they "have, do and produce". This is the supremacy of the strong over the weak.


You see, the very thing feminism seeks to combat, in his view it actually supports, go figure.
The Pope's message is a total crock.

Under many Pagan systems -- pre-Christian Ireland, for example -- women & men were considered equals under the law. When the RCC essentially took over Europe, women were reduced to the state of being property, owned, bartered & sold to the highest bidder by their nearest male relative.

The Pope has absolutely zero credibility in addressing what is good for women.

Depersonalized?

What could be more depersonalized than having a girl's father selling her to the highest bidder?

Or commiting her to a convent for life because he had too many daughters on his hands?


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So what should we teach young teenage girls??? many have already discussed the dangers of using hormonal birth control pills and devices. We all know that the use of spermicidals, condoms or even sponges is not 100% effective. So we say abstinence, yet when we say this, the response from its critics are that well they are going to do it anyway. Well is that a valid reponse???

I agree that the school have some part in teaching sex education. However, we must define that part. I am all for them teaching how the act works. What the act is meant for, procreation. And the risks of having sex must be included. Not only are there the unwanted pregnancies, but there are STDs, cancer, and new list of emotional problems. If we continue to think that regardless of what we say they are still going to do it, we do not give our younger and future generations much credit. If we present them with the truth and the facts, we can hope that they will make the right decision.

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They are going to do it any way. The teen sex drive is stronger than the rules. Why else would early teen marriage have been the norm throughout recorded history.

That said, I basically agree with you about how children should be taught about sex.

Not for moral reasons but simply because teens are not mature enough, in most cases, to handle the psychological & emotional ramifications of being sexually active.

The first line of defense in preventing unwanted pregnancies should be abstinance.

But they absolutely must be armed with accurate information on how to protect themselves if & when they decide not to abstain.

I was totally horrified when my nephew told me that his health teacher told the class that condoms work less than half of the time. This was part of the "abstinance until marriage" program.

His reaction? Not, "Well, I guess that I just can't have sex."

But rather, "Why use them if they don't work, anyway?"

Such mis-information, far from encouraging celibacy, dangerously encourages reckless behavior instead.
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why don't they just forget about a pill and just have the guy use a condom?
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