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Abortion How do you feel about abortion? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Defend your views on abortion in this forum.

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Old 03-17-2007, 11:15 AM   #11 (permalink)
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No, I dont.
Now that is harsh and a reckless disregard for the life of the mother.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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No, I dont.
Well, at least you are consistent...

It is a bit disturbing though...

Your idea creates a situation where a woman is FORCED to sacrifice her life for someone else.

Is the life of the unborn more important than the life of the person that carries it?
Old 03-17-2007, 04:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I would like to sart a thread here to examine the more difficult situations... Specifically rape, incest and threat to the mother's life.

I've heard a lot of opinions here, and I respect each person's right to their own. That said...

What do we believe when things become more complicated?

A woman that is pregnant as a result of a rape? Most believe that she should have a right to a legal and safe abortion, but some contend that the conception is not the baby's fault and s/he should not be punished for it.

Incest, especially molestation, is a horrible thing. What do we think if a young woman is pregnant by a relative but doesn't have yet enough sense of self (which is common among molested youngsters) to name the person that has been taking advantage? Is it her responsibility or should she also have access?

What of the woman who know that she has a medical condition that would probably kill her if she was to give birth? Some believe that if you are not capable of having or raising a child you shouldn't have sex. Should SHE be made to have a child since she knew the risks?

I think it would be interesting to discuss this directly.

This one has given me food for thought.

I am pro-choice but anti-abortion; in other words I do not believe it should be illegal but I would seek other solutions if I or someone I loved was experiencing an unwanted pregnancy.

I have always considered these 3 situations to be the exceptions to this self-imposed rule. And thus I would consider them to be the exceptions that must be made if abortion were to be criminalized. But I have seldom (if ever) articulated my reason for this.

The 3rd one is rather obvious to me. One human life should never be considered more valuable than another. But living breathing woman’s right to live should supersede that of a fetus.

Why? I can’t really answer that. Maybe it is just what my gut tells me.

Maybe it is just that a fetus is the promise, the expectation of a human life whereas that living breathing woman Is a human life.

The other two reasons seem to follow from this one.

Many women or girls who have been molested or raped are in such precarious mental state that they are at extremely high risk for suicide and/or self-destructive behavior.

The physical, hormonal & emotional stress of carrying a pregnancy to term might, in many cases, be the thing that would push such a person to her death. What gives us the right to force her to take this chance?
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This one has given me food for thought.

I am pro-choice but anti-abortion; in other words I do not believe it should be illegal but I would seek other solutions if I or someone I loved was experiencing an unwanted pregnancy.

I have always considered these 3 situations to be the exceptions to this self-imposed rule. And thus I would consider them to be the exceptions that must be made if abortion were to be criminalized. But I have seldom (if ever) articulated my reason for this.

The 3rd one is rather obvious to me. One human life should never be considered more valuable than another. But living breathing woman’s right to live should supersede that of a fetus.

Why? I can’t really answer that. Maybe it is just what my gut tells me.

Maybe it is just that a fetus is the promise, the expectation of a human life whereas that living breathing woman Is a human life.

The other two reasons seem to follow from this one.

Many women or girls who have been molested or raped are in such precarious mental state that they are at extremely high risk for suicide and/or self-destructive behavior.

The physical, hormonal & emotional stress of carrying a pregnancy to term might, in many cases, be the thing that would push such a person to her death. What gives us the right to force her to take this chance?
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Old 03-17-2007, 05:23 PM   #15 (permalink)
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THANK YOU CF!

This is the EXACT thing that I am trying to pull out of the board members; not an answer on whether something is right or wrong, but WHY we believe that something is right or wrong.

As a rule, I don't think that we take enought time to figure out WHY we believe what we believe.
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THANK YOU CF!

This is the EXACT thing that I am trying to pull out of the board members; not an answer on whether something is right or wrong, but WHY we believe that something is right or wrong.

As a rule, I don't think that we take enought time to figure out WHY we believe what we believe.
Abortion is wrong because it kills an unborn child.

There's really nothing hard to discern about it.

What's REALLY hard is pro-abortionists trying to come up with ways to salve your consciences.
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Abortion is wrong because it kills an unborn child.

There's really nothing hard to discern about it.

What's REALLY hard is pro-abortionists trying to come up with ways to salve your consciences.
Let's see if we can get some detail about that so we can stimulate a conversation...

Is is acceptable to you, if a woman is pregnant as a result of a rape, that she chooses NOT to continue the pregnancy?

Is is acceptable to you that if a woman knows that there is a strong chance that she with die if she tries to give birth (I previously used a heart condition as an example) that she chooses not to give birth?

And if you say YES in either case, WHY?

I'm trying to discern your thought process here.
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Let's see if we can get some detail about that so we can stimulate a conversation...

Is is acceptable to you, if a woman is pregnant as a result of a rape, that she chooses NOT to continue the pregnancy?

Is is acceptable to you that if a woman knows that there is a strong chance that she with die if she tries to give birth (I previously used a heart condition as an example) that she chooses not to give birth?

And if you say YES in either case, WHY?

I'm trying to discern your thought process here.
Why do you insist on prattling on and on and on about something that ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS?

These supposed tragic situations, to which you refer, account for less than 1% of all abortions. Rather than spouting off about what "might" be the case with this tiny minority, why not address the 99+%?

Why do you pro-abortionists ALWAYS IGNORE THE 99+%?

Stop the 99+% of abortions that happen for convenience only, you can have your less than 1% that MIGHT be necessary, and we'll call it good. FAIR ENOUGH?
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Why are you on the thread if you are not going to participate in the conversation?

This thread is SPECIFICALLY dedicated to exploring the reasons why we find abortion acceptable in one situation and not in another.

Now...

I asked first. Please be kind enough to answer the questions in post #17...
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Why are you on the thread if you are not going to participate in the conversation?

This thread is SPECIFICALLY dedicated to exploring the reasons why we find abortion acceptable in one situation and not in another.

Now...

I asked first. Please be kind enough to answer the questions in post #17...
I already answered the question(s). Read the RED PRINT.

Now, how about you be a good girl and answer the question about the OTHER 99+% of abortions. Or is that too much to ask?
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