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For Abortion or against it?

Abortion How do you feel about abortion? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Defend your views on abortion in this forum.

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For Abortion 26 59.09%
Against Abortion 18 40.91%
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:45 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Or you can stand for the legality of abortion, but disagree with it's use outside of necessary reasons to the mother (rape, incest, serious health risks), then you've got no problems.
I agree completely, this is exactly the stance I take.
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:07 PM   #72 (permalink)
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  • My issue is with government intervention in to the issue, especially the federal government. There is no justification for financially raping the taxpayers to fund an abortion...
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You've got a lot of nerve to compare having to pay an insignificantly small amount of tax to cover a medical procedure to what happens to someone who is raped. I am sorry, but no taxpayer are being raped by this, or any othe tax program. Has anyone you know been raped? Rape is the worst crime to commit to a person. I don't mean to pick on you, I am sure you did not mean it as a direct comparison. But that is one of my pet peeves. Using the term "rape" to describe things that are merely inconvenient marginilizes actual victims of rape, especially when it is freely inserted into political speech as a form of rhetoric. Don't do that, honestly.
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:49 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Re: Why I am against abortion
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For this argument, the definition of abortion is the killing of a person inside the womb. A person is defined as someone who has the ability to reason, or who will one day have the ability to reason.

1. It is wrong (immoral) to kill an innocent person.
2. It is not moral or immoral to kill human tissue (such as an amputation, removal of a tumor, fetal material before it becomes a "person", etc).

There are three options for a fetus:

1. It is always a person, and never just "human tissue", and thus it would always be wrong to kill it.
2. It is always human tissue, and never becomes a human, and thus you can kill it any time. This is impossible since every person originates as a fetus, and eventually becomes a person...otherwise mothers could kill their five year old children, since they are still only human tissue.
3. It originates at human tissue and at some specific point in time becomes a person.

Most pro-choice people will agree with #3. The problem with this is that there is no clearly defined point at which the human tissue becomes a person. Since I define a "person" as someone who has the ability to reason, or who will one day have the ability to reason, then from the instant of conception, they are a person, since the fertilized egg will eventually become a reasoning person.

IF the fertilized egg is not yet a person, then there MUST be some point where it becomes a person. In order for abortion to be moral (and not the killing of a person), then you must perform the procedure before the human tissue becomes a person. What point is this? I do not know, nor do I think this point can be proven. Viability? The age of viability is different for every fetus. You cannot guess at viability...but I guess viability for babies who are aborted is practically zero... When the heart beats? What is the heart is unable to beat by itself because of defect, but the baby would otherwise survive? If you are pro-abortion, then you must know the magic point...otherwise you are potentially killing innocent people...which I hope we all agree is wrong.

If you assume that the moment of conception is the point at which human tissue becomes a person, you will never accidentally kill a person. I want to be a moral person. If there is a such a magic point...and it is not at conception...then please alert me to it, because prior to this moment, abortion is (by this argument) morally okay. But to kill an innocent person is wrong...no matter what the circumstances, and would not be a risk I would be willing to take.

Is abortion wrong to me? Yes. Is abortion wrong for women? Unless they are certain of the instant a fetus becomes a person, and do the procedure prior to that moment, yes.
This has got to be the most well written, clear, well thought out response from any conservative I have ever seen. Bravo sir.
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Old 06-26-2005, 05:50 PM   #74 (permalink)
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No good moral christian can be pro-abortion. Plain and simple.
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I chose 'For Abortion', but I think it should be 'Pro-Life'...
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No good moral christian can be pro-abortion. Plain and simple.
That's true knight, but not everyone is a Christian.
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I am anti-abortion because I feel this act is murder, life is not a mistake. Abortion and physician assisted suicide cheapen human life. Doctors are sworn to protect life, not end it... even a life. In the womb, the baby reacts to environmental stimuli and shares many of the physiological features that define human life. Furthermore, most mothers who had an abortion suffer a great deal of mental and/or physical anguish due to their "choice". Abortion is a "choice" that very few people can feel good about. Teach children to respect sex and the responsibility that accompanies it. It makes better sense to prevent teen and unplanned pregnancies by not taking part in actions that cause pregnancy.





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I am anti-abortion because I feel this act is murder, life is not a mistake. Abortion and physician assisted suicide cheapen human life. Doctors are sworn to protect life, not end it... even a life. In the womb, the baby reacts to environmental stimuli and shares many of the physiological features that define human life. Furthermore, most mothers who had an abortion suffer a great deal of mental and/or physical anguish due to their "choice". Abortion is a "choice" that very few people can feel good about. Teach children to respect sex and the responsibility that accompanies it. It makes better sense to prevent teen and unplanned pregnancies by not taking part in actions that cause pregnancy.

Please respect other people's opinions on it too. Just because you don't agree with it shouldn't prevent someone else from having that choice.
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but if his opinion is to prevent others from voicing his opinion, that is his opinion... not that i think that is right.
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but if his opinion is to prevent others from voicing his opinion, that is his opinion... not that i think that is right.
That is dangerous thinking.
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