For Abortion or against it?

RidinHighSpeeds · 01-06-2005, 11:23 AM

Abortion

Mojo Potatoes · 05-02-2005, 09:53 PM

Damn, just stating pro/con positions on abortion doesn't quite do justice to the topic. Morally, I find the process objectionable, especially when used as a means of correcting irresponsible behavior. I believe there is sufficient evidence to support the position that life begins at conception or shortly thereafter.

I do not concede that it's the woman's sole right to abort the baby. Babies are not created by women . . . it requires a male and a female, even when the process is through artificial insemmination.

My issue is with government intervention in to the issue, especially the federal government. There is no justification for financially raping the taxpayers to fund an abortion to irresponsible women (and men who donate the sperm). State and local government, as well, should not commit financial resources to provide abortions to anyone.

Furthermore, the man should have an equal say in the process, else if the woman is given the sole option of terminating the life of the unborn, than the man should be alleviated from having to pay any form of support. You don't get it both ways. If that male has no say in the process, than he is not responsible financially.

There is also much legal precedent justifying government intrusion. For example, if women have the right to do with their body as they please, then so does everyone else. For example, women should have no say in whether or not a newborn male is circumcised. It is not their body they are mutilating, and don't go down the "it's a health issue," as it rarely evolves to that. Drug addicts ought to have the rights (which I support) to inject their bodies with whatever the hell they want. I'll donate. The crime is occurs when they harm another individual or take property that is not theirs to support their drug habit. The ingestion of drugs is not a crime--a sickness, perhaps, but not a crime. Yet, in this latter case, the government intercedes. Just look at the prison industry and the number of inmates we hold as political hostages.

Bottom line, I believe the issue is best left at the hands (and conscience) of the man and woman responsible for the life. Personally, if my mate were to seek an abortion (especially without my input), she would cease being my mate. As I stated, I find it akin to murder. But I do not believe I have the right to impart my beliefs in this regard upon the next couple.

tadpole256 · 05-05-2005, 09:45 AM

I absolutely agree that Abortion is morally objectionable when it is used to mitigate the consequences of irresponsible behavior. But it is not my decision, it's not my body, it's not going to be me what is forced to squueze something the size of a watermelon out of a hole the size of a lemon. Does getting an abortion make you a bad person? Perhaps. But no more so than doing anything else that is morally objectionable. And who says that everyone has to be good moral people?

What I find more morally objectionable than abortion, is people using laws to force their views on others. This is America. We are founded on the principles of freedom, and personal rights.

sgtdmski · 05-06-2005, 03:55 AM

But also the principle of life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Without life you have no liberties and certainly no pursuit of hapiness.

dmk

tadpole256 · 05-07-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

But also the principle of life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Without life you have no liberties and certainly no pursuit of hapiness.

dmk

Oh please. Somehow I do not think the forefathers where considering the rights of the fetus when they wrote that. The idea is ridiculous. You have to remember that we start as a single celled organism. And since all the pro lifers seem to think that life starts at conception, offering constitutional rights to a fetus amounts to offering equal rights to a protozoa. I suppose we should throw plankton in there too.

I stand my my analogy of a cake. A cake is not a cake until it is done cooking and taken out of the oven. I think the same goes for a fetus. If it is not done cooking it is not a person.

RidinHighSpeeds · 05-07-2005, 09:45 PM

Good analogy. Let me add to that.

Someone could reply, who in the world prepares a cake and then throws it away before it is a cake?

Something to think about...

tadpole256 · 05-07-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds

Good analogy. Let me add to that.

Someone could reply, who in the world prepares a cake and then throws it away before it is a cake?

Something to think about...

If you came into my house and started baking a cake and I did not want it, it's my oven I have the right to throw it away before it is done. Furthermore if I happen to know the oven is on the fritz and at risk of blowing up my house, I can throw it away. Or maybe I am just a weirdo who likes to spend my time half baking cakes and then tossing them, it does not matter. It is my oven and neither you or anyone else has the right to tell me what to do with it.

RidinHighSpeeds · 05-07-2005, 09:59 PM

hahaha. Good comeback

I think it's best not to bake a cake in the first place, if you don't want a cake.

tadpole256 · 05-07-2005, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds

hahaha. Good comeback

I think it's best not to bake a cake in the first place, if you don't want a cake.

Amen. Sometimes it is just better to sit back and look at pictures of other people baking cakes, or even watch a cooking channel, and imagine doing it yourself. Saves you the hassle that comes with the cake, prevents you from having to face the decision of wether or not to toss it early, it costs less, and it saves calories.

RidinHighSpeeds · 05-07-2005, 10:32 PM

That's the spirit

This debate would be a pretty helpful debate for someone who needs to do a project on abortion.

Now that I think about it, this site should make it easy for highschool, or even college students to read up on both sides of the story. Many of the topics brought up in this site are talked about in school.

I hope we are a help

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	RidinHighSpeeds Website Owner Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Taxachusetts Gender: Posts: 5,504 Country: Thanks: 12 Thanked 70 Times in 62 Posts	That's the spirit This debate would be a pretty helpful debate for someone who needs to do a project on abortion. Now that I think about it, this site should make it easy for highschool, or even college students to read up on both sides of the story. Many of the topics brought up in this site are talked about in school. I hope we are a help Networked Web Sites Jon-Kingsbury.com DefendingTheTruth UML Forums

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