My kids were not ever taught WHAT to think in sex education classes. And they were not encouraged to sexual exploration, and the responsibilities that come with a sexual relationship were shared as well.

I never knew of any teacher giving a message that worked against me or told my kids I was wrong. Has that been your experience, Vharlow?


OD

It seems to me that only someone who is a piss poor parent in the first place would fail to give his/her child guidance because he/she might be contradicted by what is taught in the classroom.

That isn't even a good excuse after the fact.

Mine were given way more information than they needed at their age level. That's just another area where sensible parental guidance is usurped. Children don't all mature at the same grade level, nor should they!

Many other people have had these problems, and lawsuits have resulted. It's nice YOUR own personal family has not been bothered by these things.

Absolutely! I fought for years with school officials who thought they should have the final say in raising my kids! That was many years ago. My son would call me many days just to say Hi and see what I was doing...but his teachers took it upon themselves to ridicule him in front of classes even taunting him about "calling his mommy" - now why would they do that? Can you say paranoia??? They were worried he was telling me things ABOUT THEM! Presposterous....but there you go! They want complete control of the brains of your children, and my experience of them bears that out. He wasn't a fighter, but a pacifist, and non violent...which I supported, of course. But, no, he was told at school by authorities he had to fight...I was wrong. He was being harrassed, but his abusers weren't corrected....no, I was supposed to remove him from the school, rather than them doing the job of correcting the problem.

My children were perfectly normal kids, and are all grown with families now of their own. Their school years were a nightmare. They either don't "conform" enough or they "conform" too much. One got an idea for her government class to have an "awareness" day for some issue, I can't remember what it was, and her teacher recommended she not put it forth, because the school probably wouldn't consider HER important enough suggest such a thing. Next year, guess what? They had a week long "awareness" thing about the issue, and the very same teacher got credit for the entire thing! How convenient.

My daughter-in-law teaches in public schools....her complaints are pretty vivid in my mind as well, from a different perspective.

Right. It isn't a good excuse at all, but it's used frequently, and you will hear it as well probably. I've also seen arguments from parents who don't teach their children anything because they think they will be contradicting the school! That's ass backwards, if you ask me.

IMO, those excuses are just a load of BS from people who should never have had children in the first place.

And, no, I have never heard anyone put forward that excuse.

Vharlow stated :

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" It's nice YOUR own personal family has not been bothered by these things. "

Well I don't mean my experience is the only one, and I do not mean to invalidate your own. I am sorry if it seemed that way.

But then again, I see that sex education classes cannot validate only one belief system or moral code either. And that the curriculum ought to be based on facts. And in that vein, birth control ought to be taught. Along with means to protect against STD's.

Believe me, kids do not have sex because of hearing these things. It would be like thinking that an OB/GYN gets {horny} for seeing his patients all day. Doesn't happen.

OD

It shouldn't validate ANY belief system at all. Birth control and STD protection occur just nicely by practicing abstinence. Common sense dictates that if you do not engage in this contact, you will neither be pregnant or contract STD's.

I don't know how kids operate in Wisconsin anymore, since I left there in 1958, but recalling my son's experiences as a young boy, I'd have to counter that a few girls did learn all sorts of stuff, and were bold enough to want to practice on him! He wasn't ready for any of that stuff, being more at the tage of blowing up toilets with fire crackers, and studying frogs in the local creek! Because he was NOT at the same stage of maturity, I guess they think of it as maturity, they labeled him "gay." He is far from it. He was "choosy".... waited a long time, married a gorgeous redhead! My brother didn't marry till he was 50. He too was accused of being "gay" because he didn't respond to aggressive females with expectations.

His sisters told me similar stories from their experiences. My 12 year old great niece is really bothered by GIRLS coming on to her at that tender age! Her response is GROSS!

I recall one of my daughters friends in the back of the car thinking I wasn't listening while driving them somewhere, said to my daughter, "But don't you just want to try it to see what it's like and all that? Everyone wants to... the girls are inviting a few boys to show up at Susie's house after school to see how it works..." This was when she was 14. My daughter told me what they were planning.... she didn't go. I was home so they came home every day after school.

I'd like to believe you...and maybe in your family they don't do these things just because they are taught. Hopefully, your closeness to them will prevent all sorts of heartache. But I cautioned my kids to WATCH their friends and record their misfortunes before making crazy decisions.... The things they told me were a real eyeopener.

Of course, this is a bedroom community,suburb of Washington, DC, and things go on here that would never occur in small towns.... At least, I hope they don't happen everywhere!

Not teaching everything about any subject just makes for stupid people. I think science has proven we evolved but I don't think the theory of creationism should be left out of curriculum. Same thing. All views on all subjects should be taught.

That seems the reasonable approach to me too, Ty.

V. Your assessment of what needs to be taught and what doesn't is fine. For you. And that is why you homeschool too, no doubt.

I wish you freedom and happiness always...

OD

I bet you dont hear any meantion that homosexuals represent half of all Aids victoms. I bet alot of info is left out.