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Affirmative Action & Race Issues Do you feel that affirmative action should be expired, or do you feel that it should still be enforced? Defend your views on affirmative action in this forum.

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Old 05-14-2007, 02:31 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I'm just curious here, would you feel the same way if the Democrats made the promise?
Dealing with hypotheticals is not the point. The point is - Do Republicans ever do what they say they are going to do? My take on it is to never trust a Republican.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:47 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Actually, that is entirely irrelevant.

The short version of the same story is that the 40 acres and a mule were ordered and distributed by an Army general, and then revoked by the President.

Here is a copy of the text of the orginal order:

Order by the Commander of the Military Division of the Mississippi, January 15, 1865


This was revoked by President Johnson the same year. The Republicans don't really come into play at all.
Learn some real U.S. history. President Johnson was impeached and the Repblicans controlled Congress. They could pass and override any law they wanted and just chose not to honor their promise.
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Does that mean that the wiki is correct [gasp] say it isn't so.
It is not so.
Old 05-14-2007, 10:32 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Even if the government decided to give the 40 acres and a mule, it would be impossible to split up. Not every African American today would get a separate 40 and a mule. It would have to be split up between all of the ancestors of the freed slaves. Does each ancestor get 10 Square feet and 1 pound of mule?
Not to mention that they would have to prove that they are an ancestor of a freed slave.
Here is a question for the board. Congress can override a veto,but can they override a cancelled military decree that was cancelled by the President? I don't know the answer,maybe someone does and can cite where the information comes from.
Old 05-15-2007, 07:24 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Its my understanding that the original order was illegal. It could be argued(and is) that it was not.
As far as I can find, a mule was not even part of the deal. It was added later to relieve the Goverment of its broken down mules left after the war.
I don't see how the Government could fairly pull off paying Reparation. Plus to be considered is the difffering values of different lands.
I do think some type of payment should have been made at the time. To do so now seems a far fetched idea.
Here is a article I found very interesting and informative, on this subject:

94.04.01: What About My 40 Acres & A Mule?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville
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Its my understanding that the original order was illegal. It could be argued(and is) that it was not.
As far as I can find, a mule was not even part of the deal. It was added later to relieve the Goverment of its broken down mules left after the war.
I don't see how the Government could fairly pull off paying Reparation. Plus to be considered is the difffering values of different lands.
I do think some type of payment should have been made at the time. To do so now seems a far fetched idea.
Here is a article I found very interesting and informative, on this subject:

94.04.01: What About My 40 Acres & A Mule?
There were many Bills brought before Congress after the Civil War concerning ex-slaves. Let's just stick to the facts. It makes things much more simple. Republicans made promises to slaves to manipulate them. Republicans controlled the U.S. Government for many years after the Civil War. What did the ex-slaves get, you are free now, you have no money, you have no food, you own no property, you have no place to live, you have no access to medical treatment, you have no jobs, you do not even own the clothes on your back. Good Luck.
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There were many Bills brought before Congress after the Civil War concerning ex-slaves. Let's just stick to the facts. It makes things much more simple. Republicans made promises to slaves to manipulate them. Republicans controlled the U.S. Government for many years after the Civil War. What did the ex-slaves get, you are free now, you have no money, you have no food, you own no property, you have no place to live, you have no access to medical treatment, you have no jobs, you do not even own the clothes on your back. Good Luck.
Did you go to the link? You post something and then expect no one to touch on the details because 'you want to keep it simple'?
I can't help but to think your point of this post is not reparation but just another attack on the Republicans. I am not sticking up for them but alot has changed since the civil war. This all has to do with the modern day problems in what way? Both the Dems and the Reps take payoffs from lobbiests yet you continue to blow your Democrat horn. Sorry for my scepticism but this seems about you you you, again.

As for you example, I have been homeless without a cent, with no place to live. If you think the clothes on my back being owned by me was an advatange than I had one. Not that it was any fun but lets be real here.
I certianly don't condon what the Black people of America have been through but judging from your past posts this is a further attempt to try and alienate everyone against the Republicans.
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There were many Bills brought before Congress after the Civil War concerning ex-slaves. Let's just stick to the facts. It makes things much more simple. Republicans made promises to slaves to manipulate them. Republicans controlled the U.S. Government for many years after the Civil War. What did the ex-slaves get, you are free now, you have no money, you have no food, you own no property, you have no place to live, you have no access to medical treatment, you have no jobs, you do not even own the clothes on your back. Good Luck.

That's what most the immigrants had.
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I recommend strongly that Billy check out who won the war and freed the slaves...who passed civil rights legislation.

Government doesn't exist to give the people anything at all. Government exists to protect our rights to liberty so that we can choose work that will sustain us and also to protect our property as we accumulate it. All the freed slaves in this country haven't done badly for themselves. Indeed, many have reached high government positions and been great teachers, philosophers, writers and entertainers.

Of our immigrants from elsewhere in the world who arrived in past centuries with nothing, refugees from poverty elsewhere in the world, they had no advantages either. No one gave them anything. Many worked two jobs, lived in cramped crowded places, sent their children to work to have enough to feed the family, and suffered.

I'm frankly wondering how OLD is Billy?
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Old 05-15-2007, 02:09 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I'm frankly wondering how OLD is Billy?
From reading his posts, my personal feeling is he's about 15. He's either just entering high school or just finished his freshman year in high school.

Most of what he posts about is hearsay quality while his points of view seem very juvenile, immature, and shows little life experience learning about what he's talking about.

There's also the thing that although he posts what he thinks or 'has heard/read' about the topics he posts about, he rarely (never) gives the sources from where he's getting those points of view...Which leads me to believe that he's solely depending on what a text book and teacher has stated, of what sounds good to him, or is peer opinion rather then actual experience/study of what he speaks.

He has an opinion about many things...But none so far that seem informed or fully formed. Just goes with his 'feelings' type of outlook/discussion techniques.
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