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Old 05-15-2007, 02:23 PM   #41 (permalink)
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He's possibly getting this stuff from a dad or older siblings too. Whoa! Maybe he's actually looking for argument AGAINST his stated opinions.... That wouldn't even be a first. I know other kids who learned lots just that way.
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Old 05-15-2007, 10:11 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Did you go to the link? You post something and then expect no one to touch on the details because 'you want to keep it simple'?
I can't help but to think your point of this post is not reparation but just another attack on the Republicans. I am not sticking up for them but alot has changed since the civil war. This all has to do with the modern day problems in what way? Both the Dems and the Reps take payoffs from lobbiests yet you continue to blow your Democrat horn. Sorry for my scepticism but this seems about you you you, again.

As for you example, I have been homeless without a cent, with no place to live. If you think the clothes on my back being owned by me was an advatange than I had one. Not that it was any fun but lets be real here.
I certianly don't condon what the Black people of America have been through but judging from your past posts this is a further attempt to try and alienate everyone against the Republicans.
First I use facts. You need to learn that your opinion is not a fact. You did make one true statement completely by accident, but I have posted it before. I despise the Republican Party for what they have done and are doing to the country and the rest of the world. Let me give you another fact. At this point in time our government is run by a two party system. You either support one or the other or you are just confused and do not understand how our government works.
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First I use facts. You need to learn that your opinion is not a fact. You did make one true statement completely by accident, but I have posted it before. I despise the Republican Party for what they have done and are doing to the country and the rest of the world. Let me give you another fact. At this point in time our government is run by a two party system. You either support one or the other or you are just confused and do not understand how our government works.
Ah no, I'm not confused. In November I voted for the lesser of two evils because I feel the Republican controlled party was all about invading for oil. Does this mean I should not mention the corruption being undertaken by most of Congress? Why, because you said so? I don't think so. I am expressing my opinion, as provided to me by freedom of speech, and make sure I mention its my opinion. Heres a fact for you, and I will provide a link if you feel the need to question this, Most of our Congress votes, more times than not, the way lobbiests want them to, not the way the region they represent want them to, Democrats, Idependents and Republicans alike. I mention this because my main concern with our system is this legal payoff scam that I feel needs change. I should not mention it because you don't like it? Please.
Usually, here on DtT we make sure to have backing for statements we claim are fact. A link, a footnote on what book or paper we're quoting and the heading of the article and the author. Don't try and make it sound like I am the one trying to make my opinion sound like fact with no proof of what I say. You are guilty, of not providing some proof of what you write, in almost every post. I will always supply some backing, especially if asked, because that is how it is on this forum.
You on the other hand have been asked repeatedly to supply some documentation for your posts. You continue to post as fact and refuse to take the time to supply something to show you have documentation. You expect us to take what you say as fact because you say so? Maybe you don't care if others believe you, or maybe you think your wonderfully articulated posts should be proof enough.
Now, you can continue to post like you do or you can prove to me, and everyone else, that your words are actually facts, its your choice.......
Lets ask the membership how creditable they think you are without providing some information to back your statements. What do you say everyone? Would Billy seem much more creditable with some type of proof with his posts?
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Ah no, I'm not confused. In November I voted for the lesser of two evils because I feel the Republican controlled party was all about invading for oil. Does this mean I should not mention the corruption being undertaken by most of Congress? Why, because you said so? I don't think so. I am expressing my opinion, as provided to me by freedom of speech, and make sure I mention its my opinion. Heres a fact for you, and I will provide a link if you feel the need to question this, Most of our Congress votes, more times than not, the way lobbiests want them to, not the way the region they represent want them to, Democrats, Idependents and Republicans alike. I mention this because my main concern with our system is this legal payoff scam that I feel needs change. I should not mention it because you don't like it? Please.
Usually, here on DtT we make sure to have backing for statements we claim are fact. A link, a footnote on what book or paper we're quoting and the heading of the article and the author. Don't try and make it sound like I am the one trying to make my opinion sound like fact with no proof of what I say. You are guilty, of not providing some proof of what you write, in almost every post. I will always supply some backing, especially if asked, because that is how it is on this forum.
You on the other hand have been asked repeatedly to supply some documentation for your posts. You continue to post as fact and refuse to take the time to supply something to show you have documentation. You expect us to take what you say as fact because you say so? Maybe you don't care if others believe you, or maybe you think your wonderfully articulated posts should be proof enough.
Now, you can continue to post like you do or you can prove to me, and everyone else, that your words are actually facts, its your choice.......
Lets ask the membership how creditable they think you are without providing some information to back your statements. What do you say everyone? Would Billy seem much more creditable with some type of proof with his posts?
In my studies of World History I have never seen a situation where there is money and power without corruption. My opinion is that this speaks more of mankind than anything else. This is why it is so important to always question our government. Thank God we do have that right and I fear if we do not use it we will loose it. As for proof of my post. I am sorry, but I do not believe another person's ignorance oblidges me to memorize, search out links ( I think net links are BS anyway.) or educate them. The best that I can hope from anything I post is that it will make someone curious enough to get off their lazy ass and actually study something.
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From reading his posts, my personal feeling is he's about 15. He's either just entering high school or just finished his freshman year in high school.

Most of what he posts about is hearsay quality while his points of view seem very juvenile, immature, and shows little life experience learning about what he's talking about.

There's also the thing that although he posts what he thinks or 'has heard/read' about the topics he posts about, he rarely (never) gives the sources from where he's getting those points of view...Which leads me to believe that he's solely depending on what a text book and teacher has stated, of what sounds good to him, or is peer opinion rather then actual experience/study of what he speaks.

He has an opinion about many things...But none so far that seem informed or fully formed. Just goes with his 'feelings' type of outlook/discussion techniques.
Oh boy, another Republican who really believes they have ESP.
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In my studies of World History I have never seen a situation where there is money and power without corruption. My opinion is that this speaks more of mankind than anything else. This is why it is so important to always question our government. Thank God we do have that right and I fear if we do not use it we will loose it. As for proof of my post. I am sorry, but I do not believe another person's ignorance oblidges me to memorize, search out links ( I think net links are BS anyway.) or educate them. The best that I can hope from anything I post is that it will make someone curious enough to get off their lazy ass and actually study something.
Look Billy, you do as you think you should. I tried to give you some friendly advise to reach more people. If you think your posts are motivating anyone, you are, IMO, probably wrong.
Your telling me that your 'studies' of world history make it ok to condon the actions of our congress. How totally assinine. Then you contridict yourself in the same post by saying 'thank God we have the right to question our govenment'. Yeah, only if we're questioning the Republicans, correct? Your reasoning is almost always twisted with some Republican smearing. Then you wonder why anyone would want you to provide a link or a credit of where you got your info. Excuse me while I stop to laugh.

Notice I did go study this, as evident by the link I provided. (which you didn't go look at, at all, as evident by your lack of response and your attempt to ignore it by saying you wanted to 'keep it simple').
Also, you said 'the best you can hope is someone curious enough will get off there lazy ass and actually go study something'. What, so you can ignore their points by saying you 'want to keep it simple' but expect everyone to jump right into studying what you said? Seems to me you are either not open to other views, you are the one that refuses to get off their lazy asses and study something, or actually, just care about only putting down the Republicans, and don't even care about the subject. It called a debate forum for a reason. Not debating other people's view only points to how actually ignorant you are, IMO.
You said, in an earlier post, you usually get your info from a newspaper. Does the paper you read not have a website? To much work to back your claims? Maybe you think that, your claim that you write is fact is proof enough. Here, on a political debate forum, it is not.
Get off your lazy ass and provide a link or continue to post what seems to, presently be, just more Democratic Party propaganda spam.
Once again, your choice.
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Oh boy, another Republican who really believes they have ESP.
Analyzing your immature writing has nothing to do with ESP.
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Oh boy, another Republican who really believes they have ESP.
ROTFLMAOL!!! Kiddo, that was a weak insult. Let me give you a hint....Next time? Read a person's profile before you try to guess what their political leanings are?

Your attempt at trying to call me a Republican was as effective as when the religious zealots try insulting me by calling me a Liberal tree hugging mongrel. In otherwords...it makes me laugh at ya'll.

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Analyzing you immature writing has nothing to do with ESP.
Ty, it's just his way of confirming my statements about him. He know's he's a kid pretending to be something more...And so he'll just say anything that sounds good to him in the heat of the moment.

Maturity and experience would have had him think before posting in such a childish manner...But since he's a child so his judgement is from emotion, not rational thinking or discourse. He just goes with his emotional and immature responses. In this case, making incorrect silly comments about ESP and Republicans...Because of his immaturity, he thinks somehow that that's insulting me. When the reality is I'm having a very good laugh at his expense.
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Look Billy, you do as you think you should. I tried to give you some friendly advise to reach more people. If you think your posts are motivating anyone, you are, IMO, probably wrong.
Your telling me that your 'studies' of world history make it ok to condon the actions of our congress. How totally assinine. Then you contridict yourself in the same post by saying 'thank God we have the right to question our govenment'. Yeah, only if we're questioning the Republicans, correct? Your reasoning is almost always twisted with some Republican smearing. Then you wonder why anyone would want you to provide a link or a credit of where you got your info. Excuse me while I stop to laugh.

Notice I did go study this, as evident by the link I provided. (which you didn't go look at, at all, as evident by your lack of response and your attempt to ignore it by saying you wanted to 'keep it simple').
Also, you said 'the best you can hope is someone curious enough will get off there lazy ass and actually go study something'. What, so you can ignore their points by saying you 'want to keep it simple' but expect everyone to jump right into studying what you said? Seems to me you are either not open to other views, you are the one that refuses to get off their lazy asses and study something, or actually, just care about only putting down the Republicans, and don't even care about the subject. It called a debate forum for a reason. Not debating other people's view only points to how actually ignorant you are, IMO.
You said, in an earlier post, you usually get your info from a newspaper. Does the paper you read not have a website? To much work to back your claims? Maybe you think that, your claim that you write is fact is proof enough. Here, on a political debate forum, it is not.
Get off your lazy ass and provide a link or continue to post what seems to, presently be, just more Democratic Party propaganda spam.
Once again, your choice.
Sorry Dyrea, I did not realize you made the rules. From my meager experience debateing IMO's is a waste of time. IMO's are like ass holes, everybody has one. The same with your views, you cannot debate views. That is why I said I prefer debateing with facts. Try it, you might like it. Post just 1 fact, I will be shocked.
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ROTFLMAOL!!! Kiddo, that was a weak insult. Let me give you a hint....Next time? Read a person's profile before you try to guess what their political leanings are?

Your attempt at trying to call me a Republican was as effective as when the religious zealots try insulting me by calling me a Liberal tree hugging mongrel. In otherwords...it makes me laugh at ya'll.



Ty, it's just his way of confirming my statements about him. He know's he's a kid pretending to be something more...And so he'll just say anything that sounds good to him in the heat of the moment.

Maturity and experience would have had him think before posting in such a childish manner...But since he's a child so his judgement is from emotion, not rational thinking or discourse. He just goes with his emotional and immature responses. In this case, making incorrect silly comments about ESP and Republicans...Because of his immaturity, he thinks somehow that that's insulting me. When the reality is I'm having a very good laugh at his expense.
You believe profiles on the Net, LMFAO. Enough said.
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