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Affirmative Action & Race Issues Do you feel that affirmative action should be expired, or do you feel that it should still be enforced? Defend your views on affirmative action in this forum.

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Old 06-11-2007, 08:54 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I agree whole-heartedly, Katcz.Quite simply, for whites; they must realize that there will be blacks (Afrikaner or otherwise) on this planet for as long as they will be here. For blacks,(Afrikaner, African-American, or however you want to categorize, we must realize the same about whites. Only then can the world start to close this great "racial divide". Blaming each other does not solve, it only imflames. This is what peaceful co-existence is all about.
I agree. However, for future reference:

Afrikaners are white. The term Afrikaner refers to South Africans of European descent. I learned some basic conversational Afrikaans a long time ago. Don't ask why. Though I forget most of it.
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Old 06-11-2007, 11:39 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I agree. However, for future reference:

Afrikaners are white. The term Afrikaner refers to South Africans of European descent. I learned some basic conversational Afrikaans a long time ago. Don't ask why. Though I forget most of it.
Thanks for the correction; Katcz.
Old 06-12-2007, 10:23 AM   #53 (permalink)
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You all know that we can talk about White and Black racial issues
all day, but until we seek out a solution the problem will go on and
go, and race hate and discrimination will always be around like
Jim Crow's now generation.

In the Motherland..there is blacks against blacks. Just like there's
Whites against Blacks. What to do when one race has all the
problems?....Solve the problems. You can not state that only one
race has problems, but look at the entire BIG picture, and seek out
why is there a race problem.

Look at Affirmative Action (since this topic is under Affirmative Action
headings). Affirmative Action was voted out because Whites felt
discriminated against, and was claiming to be the minority instead of
the Majority (That's a bunch of BS).

Racism isn't a political issue. Its a straight up race issue, and the
sooner that the fact is established the better of we will be.

[quote=Katczinsky] The term Afrikaner refers to South Africans of
European descent.

Where did you learn or get the education that Africa is spelled
Afrikan? In South Africa is where the Anglo-Saxon race of whites
came from?, and you are right Akrikaners is White. The spelling itself
shows that.

I think the issue is Whites wants to rule the world with them great
theroies, but Blacks react to what they want us to learn, act, or
be like, and when that happens it creates a problem.

Unity is the keyword in today's society, but how many is willing
to accept Unity? and with the attitude..(My Way or No Way)
there will always be racism & discrimination.
Old 06-18-2007, 04:43 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Actually, Katczinsky may be correct on the spelling issue. The white population of South Africa is greatly composed of people of Dutch ancestry. Look at the names of most of the towns in South Africa.Also; the names of most whites there.
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You all know that we can talk about White and Black racial issues
all day, but until we seek out a solution the problem will go on and
go, and race hate and discrimination will always be around like
Jim Crow's now generation.

In the Motherland..there is blacks against blacks. Just like there's
Whites against Blacks. What to do when one race has all the
problems?....Solve the problems. You can not state that only one
race has problems, but look at the entire BIG picture, and seek out
why is there a race problem.
Racism will also flourish when you continue to divide people on the basis of race; when you decide to associate a set of problems with a particular race. When in actuality, a problem for a black African is a problem for a white African. We need to transcend superficial dividers such as race and recognize that all of us are in the same boat.

Likewise, why a set of problems may be more prevalent with black Africans has more to do than just skin color association. To associate a problem to a particular race merely on the basis of race would be naive and avoiding to the true roots of the problems. Not even recognizing that the black race makes up the vast majority of the South African population (and therefore more problems with it merely on a statistical basis), you begin to realize that the problems of the black community in South Africa stem primarily from class divisions; a line incidentally established between white and black by the racist white apartheid government. So you begin to see all of these problems sprouting directly out of the issue of wealth vs. poverty. Aids spreads because of lack of awareness and/or medical attention, and there is a lack of awareness and medical attention because of their social condition.

It's the same primarily in the United States. Racists here look at the inner cities and say, "well look, the blacks have so many problems." But they fail to realize that they have those problems and their cyclical re-establishing of those problems because of their social condition which incidentally was largely established by the racist white ruling class of old. And they also fail to realize that even though the media chooses to report more often the crimes of a poor black man instead of a white business owner or a suburban white teenager, that such conditions and crimes transcend mere racial divisions. Here in Ohio, even though it looks very meager when it comes to inner-city black life in say Cincinnati: our most poverty stricken county is in the country which is vastly made up by a white population. Likewise, contrary to popular belief, most gun crime in the United States actually comes from the white suburbs rather than black inner-city.

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Look at Affirmative Action (since this topic is under Affirmative Action
headings). Affirmative Action was voted out because Whites felt
discriminated against, and was claiming to be the minority instead of
the Majority (That's a bunch of BS).
I'm not sure what you're referring to. It wasn't voted out in the US. And if you're talking about South Africa, then the white population is actually a very small minority.

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Racism isn't a political issue. Its a straight up race issue, and the
sooner that the fact is established the better of we will be.
Racism is an education issue. It's about breaking free of antiquated prejudices.

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Where did you learn or get the education that Africa is spelled
Afrikan?
I'm not sure what you mean. When I say Afrikaner, I refer to the race, not the continent.

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In South Africa is where the Anglo-Saxon race of whites
came from?
No, they came from Europe...hence Anglo-Saxon.

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I think the issue is Whites wants to rule the world with them great
theroies, but Blacks react to what they want us to learn, act, or
be like, and when that happens it creates a problem.
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm pretty sure that a reaction against whites ruling the world would be a reaction against racist imperialism my friend. Incidentally I would have to agree with them and fight against such imperialism. And please don't pretend that whites supposedly have a moral or ideological superiority monopoly over other races. In fact, in many cases, western society has shown itself to be pretty backwards.

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Unity is the keyword in today's society, but how many is willing
to accept Unity? and with the attitude..(My Way or No Way)
there will always be racism & discrimination.
This is true. But I believe that eventually man's recognition of our similarities will be stronger than our differences.
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Old 06-19-2007, 04:17 PM   #56 (permalink)
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[quote=Katczinsky] our most poverty stricken county is in the country
which is vastly made up by a white population. Really Katczinsky?
I seem to find that untrue. When I posted my statement I wasn't
trying to be a racist. Another statement you made was Racism is a
educational issue. Really on whos part?

I am NOT pretending that whites have moral or ideological superiority
monopoly over other races. I have seen it in reality that what you said
is true. Believe me we have no similarities. We think different (no race
thinks or act alike).

I have been to Cincinnati many times to rally against your city's
racist police force. Because of how they beat blacks, and I have
never heard of a white beat down in Cincinnati. My Brotherhood
group is based there in Cincinnati, and each time there's a racist
conflict taking place. We come from all around the eastern and
midwest parts of this so-called land of the free to protest and
to protect our rights.

In closing, I am a for real person in reality. Regardless to my
feelings and emotions. Affirmative Action is one of the main
issues in Reality then gets me worked up, due to the fact that
people do not realize how powerful hate is until they do
experiece racism.

We had to fight to get Affirmative Action, and then the race
issue kicked in because whites was feeling discriminated against.
Which is a bunch of horse s***. Now we're back to square one.

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Old 06-20-2007, 10:55 AM   #57 (permalink)
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[quote=PoliticalParalegal;117076]
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our most poverty stricken county is in the country
which is vastly made up by a white population. Really Katczinsky?
I seem to find that untrue. When I posted my statement I wasn't
trying to be a racist. Another statement you made was Racism is a
educational issue. Really on whos part?

I am NOT pretending that whites have moral or ideological superiority
monopoly over other races. I have seen it in reality that what you said
is true. Believe me we have no similarities. We think different (no race
thinks or act alike).
Probably because different races receive different treatment, wouldn't you say?

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I have been to Cincinnati many times to rally against your city's
racist police force. Because of how they beat blacks, and I have
never heard of a white beat down in Cincinnati. My Brotherhood
group is based there in Cincinnati, and each time there's a racist
conflict taking place. We come from all around the eastern and
midwest parts of this so-called land of the free to protest and
to protect our rights.

In closing, I am a for real person in reality. Regardless to my
feelings and emotions. Affirmative Action is one of the main
issues in Reality then gets me worked up, due to the fact that
people do not realize how powerful hate is until they do
experiece racism.

We had to fight to get Affirmative Action, and then the race
issue kicked in because whites was feeling discriminated against.
Which is a bunch of horse s***. Now we're back to square one.
I think the day will come when Affirmative Action won't be needed. But that day is quite a way off. Those who are calling for its premature end are either ill-informed or partisan beyond all reason.
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I think the day will come when Affirmative Action won't be needed. But that day is quite a way off. Those who are calling for its premature end are either ill-informed or partisan beyond all reason.

I agree. Go to the inner city of any major metropolis in America and you will see why AA is still necessary.
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I agree. Go to the inner city of any major metropolis in America and you will see why AA is still necessary.
Or to the employment office in almost any small town in the South.
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I also agree. I also think the very question of this thread (not the thread starter) is a major reason why AA is still necessary. We have been railing on for 6 pages of this thread about blacks. Does that mean we are the problem? Or does it mean that we are the reasons that whites have those problems? By the way, I engaged in discussion with another member about my definition of race. There is but one race- the human race. underneath the color of a man's skin lies the exact same body parts with the exact same body functions as every other man; irregardless of the skin color. I've yet to see any proof to the contrary. I know most people are taught that race is based upon skin color.I do not agree with that train of thought- maybe that's what allows me to get along with everybody as I do. I do not seek to blame; but seek to solve problems. The problems of man are the problems of all mankind-to be solved by all mankind.
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