Olifant

No actually I don't, Ivy League schools are heavily biased to a liberal agenda.



How does this support the idea of preferential treatment and not the idea of lack of responsibility? Simply they do not make anything but correlations this website doesn't even observe the legal structure at the time. In fact the entire page is constructed by moralistic students and is evident in their sentence structure and choice of words and it is hardly a research paper or published journal.

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Antithesis

You obviously don't get it. The purpose of apartheid from the beginning wasn't to allow sovereignty. It was to exclude the black majority from the nation and give the white Afrikaans much more access to politics and a greater hold on the country's resources.

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Olifant

Yes but it was not to "RULE" over the blacks. You are equating Apartheid to slavery in the US where blacks were disenfranchised but had to work for the US economy. Blacks here were free to go elsewhere and work and live. They simply did not have access as citizens to the infrastructures of the white government without proper doccumentation etc.

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"The biggest failure of Democracy in Africa is that unsophisticated, illiterate, uninformed and easily influenced citizens can replace those that fully sustain them with others that fully impoverish them." -- Unknown

Antithesis

The stats are there and valid. It's only your fault if you want to ignore them, even tough they're so blatantly obvious. Just out of principle, whenever you separate two groups, there is NEVER equality. We learned that in the United States after Jim Crow. They show an obvious correlation of the causations of poverty in black homelands as compared to white homelands, and most of these problems could have been easily corrected. Yet somehow, white South Africa didn't care and said it was the blacks' faults that they were given the shit end of the stick. Hmm, I wonder why...

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Antithesis

WHY WOULD THEY EVEN NEED DOCUMENTATION?! That doesn't make any sense, requiring a permit to visit a specific part of their own country! And blacks in South Africa were disenfranchised as well. The Separate Representation of Voters Act was meant to remove blacks from federal elections. Now they had their own council, but that council had to answer to the white South African government, so really there was almost no control.

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Olifant

It makes perfect sense you just don't know what Apartheid was.

Apartheid was the effort to separate the black and white economies completely effectually creating two different nations with respective territories. Thus hiring blacks and investing in black companies etc was forbidden and vice-versa.

The problem was that Apartheid was poorly implemented since Afrikaner nationalism was strong with it. Instead of creating seperate nations the Apartheid created a situation where blacks had no source of national economy and became dependent upon the white economy.

It's ironic because that was the theory of Apartheid, an integrated economy means eventual political and social integration.

The exact failures of Apartheid are immense to detail but it was basically a lack of will of elitists to give-up their dependence on cheap black labour. Had they not been so hard-headed the inevitable result would have been a strange set of states in the South African region with many of them over-weighted by high population densities.

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"The biggest failure of Democracy in Africa is that unsophisticated, illiterate, uninformed and easily influenced citizens can replace those that fully sustain them with others that fully impoverish them." -- Unknown

Antithesis

The moral of the story in this being, of course, that it's far easier to integrate and allow the society to function without partitioning it off than to separate it and complicate things. Did it ever occur to these people that the country would run better if they simply addressed the nation's economic problems with respect to socioeconomic conditions instead of race, kind of like how we do here?

Or at least we try to do it here, but apparently flag-burning and gay marriage are more important than lifting peopel up out of poverty.

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AlicornsPrayer

Actually, here's what they were thinking in the early days...

Here's what I find funny about that whole paragraph...The 'Afrikans', as in the whites living in Africa, were not native to South Africa. They were basically guests/visitors/explorers of those regions. It wasn't their country. It was the country of the NATIVES already born there, who happened to be black.

True, some settled there later and started lives and families. BUT, that didn't mean they received the right to take the land and resources from the black populance. Instead, they should have shared those lands and resources with the black population that already exsisted in those areas.

The methods and thinking used were no different then those used when the US populance was killing off the indians. The only difference is, the people being forced off their lands, being denied the same benefits/advantages of the so called 'Afrikans', are more numerous and more resiliant.

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Olifant

I'd agree with you I don't really support Apartheid and as long as integration works more power to it. If it fails however I guarantee whites in Africa will not be fooled again by the ideas that the past can be absolved. And you can look at that as a tragedy. So hence it's in the world's best interest to see that integration works.

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"The biggest failure of Democracy in Africa is that unsophisticated, illiterate, uninformed and easily influenced citizens can replace those that fully sustain them with others that fully impoverish them." -- Unknown

Olifant

I always find this argument absurd. It is our land, bought and paid for either with money or with blood. It is what makes it ours. The generations here for hundreds of years all having put their dust into the soil...

It's rediculous to say that we have to share anything. The blacks get what they work for all they should be entitled to is the fair chance to compete.

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"The biggest failure of Democracy in Africa is that unsophisticated, illiterate, uninformed and easily influenced citizens can replace those that fully sustain them with others that fully impoverish them." -- Unknown