AlicornsPrayer

Perhaps now the soil has your people's blood and sweat in it. BUT, it origionally was owned and populated by the black populance. Basically, Europeans stole the land from the blacks, then populated it, and then set up laws to forbid access to the blacks of those lands.

What your people have done, is no different then what they did to the indians here. The only difference is, so far ya'll have failed at wiping the blacks from the land that the white people managed to do here in the States. And now, you're blaming the blacks for the conditions your own ancestors set into motion hundreds of years ago with your methods of segration and less-then-equal treatment of the actual natives of those lands.

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Olifant

And before the blacks it was owned by who?

You can't blame whites for the failures of blacks. Anyone of them could simply go somewhere else and make their own "utopia" you so expect of them without "oppressive whites".

Mugabe tried it in Zimbabwe...blew-up in his face.

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AlicornsPrayer

Please point out where I said any of that?

What part of 'working together' or 'ending segration' or 'giving equal rights, privelages, and access to' did you miss in my responses?

Your whole attitude and commentaries have been you vocally trying to justify why a people should be treated differently, viewed as 'less', and how they aren't 'equal to whites'...

Then you wonder why many here view you as a racist? ROTFLMAOL!!!

I doubt that all whites in Africa think like you. I'm sure there are those that want their fellow black countrymen to be treated equally to them. To have the same benefits, chances, and advantages the white populance takes for granted. Without feeling there's a need to cut back on the black populance or make them move out of sight.

Unfortunately, there's those like yourself that's more vocal and controlling what is happening to make the actual natives of the land look worse. And while you underplay your part/fellow racist's actions in the circumstances, you put the full responsibility and effort on the shoulders of those you have suppressed for centuries.

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Olifant

No not everyone thinks like "me" there's actually a black lady who was very influential in the end of Apartheid.

Why just recently she was attacked by blacks, robbed, and raped and left for dead.

Irony...no they don't all think the way I do - but our numbers are growing.

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sgtdmski

Olifant has a good point. Folks like Whitney Houston and other Hollywood crusaders picked up the cause of Apartheid. Their solution the one eventually adopted by the US Congress and rejected by President Reagan was sanctions.

Reagan was right in pushing for a policy of "constructive engagement". Reagan believed and history has proven him correct that sanctions would hurt very people we seek to help. Most of the workers who would lost jobs because of sanctions were black workers. It was western nations such as the US, Britain and France that brought the ideas of social justice to South Africa, and with their departure these ideas were soon lost to a repressive government. Before sanctions were imposed the conditions in South Africa were changing, albeit slowly. However, when you try to rush any change you face problems in the future, and that is exactly what occurred.

dmk

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KnightOfSappho

Okay, so tell us how black people were better off under apartheid. That shouldn't be too hard considering your position.

Also, why can't folks that object to the abolition of Apartheid go somewhere and form their own utopia?

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Antithesis

As much of a claim to the land as your forefathers have, the blacks on it have an even greater claim, and whether you like it or not your bound together to it, so stop trying to act like only whites are entitled to it.

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Olifant

How do they have greater claim when they are less productive and often ruin the land because they are not used to working with the soil. Their ancestors left much of the regions arid.

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tadpole256

Ahhh... so you have to maximize the use of a resource in order to lay claim to it?

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Antithesis

In that case, we should probably send all the surviving Native Americans across the land bridge, even if we brought horrible diseases that decimated them, slaughtered them by the thousands, and drove them off their rightful lands to the worst possible areas.

And apparently, I haven't cut my grass in two weeks because I've been busy, so the bank has the right to evict me. Give me a break.

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