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09-19-2007, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe My point, Hev; is simply that I just don't particularly like the double standard applied in comedy or in everyday conversation; whether by racial, religious, or nationality. Either we can accept one standard or we can't. It's not just use of the N-word (although that probably is the most quoted of the double standards applied). Maybe it's just me. I never really found Polish jokes funny; neither imprecations againt Jewish people. I'm actually more a fan of the Rodney Dangerfield " I get no respect" dialogues. |
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The way I look at it NuttyJoe, is that doing comedy is an artistic expression not bound by the standard applied to everyday life. I wouldn't want a musician, artist, or director to censor any aspect of their artistic output and neither should a black comedian. A lot of artistic expressions need to taken with a grain of salt.
Now if someone was randomly dropping the n-bomb in a public setting, well that is just a MF being rude.
Does that make sense?
I have jewish family but I still laugh like hell at jewish jokes (even holocaust related). Joking about things, as long as there is no hate in the heart of the joke teller, can be really healthy and spark a different perspective about things.
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09-19-2007, 11:39 PM
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Level up: 41%, 135 Points needed | | It actually does make sense, but isn't most comedy done in public settings? What is the difference between being unacceptable and being okay, at this point? Can a school now accept the excuse that "Im just joking around" when say, a White child calls a Black child a "nigger"? Or. when a Jewish child is being called "kike"? Can we expect our children to be able to know the differences, or will they just repeat this behavior if they are not corrected, all the way to adulthood if we cannot set a standard of behavior that they must follow while they are young?
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Level up: 41%, 135 Points needed | | I think that it would be wrong for any artistic being to censor their output, but all artistic beings must accept that such output will not always be well received, and may be shot down by the particular venue that they are using.
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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe It actually does make sense, but isn't most comedy done in public settings? What is the difference between being unacceptable and being okay, at this point? Can a school now accept the excuse that "Im just joking around" when say, a White child calls a Black child a "nigger"? Or. when a Jewish child is being called "kike"? Can we expect our children to be able to know the differences, or will they just repeat this behavior if they are not corrected, all the way to adulthood if we cannot set a standard of behavior that they must follow while they are young? |
It's easy... is the person on stage? Is there an audience? Was a comedy show expected? Did people buy tickets to the live rock show or movie?
There is a clear distinction between performance and everyday life.
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Originally Posted by hevusa What the hell people? This isn't the freaking 50's.
If a black comedian can't use the N word as a color in his artistic palette then you guys have lost all perspective.
Words are just words. It is the intent of the use of any word that matters.
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Originally Posted by hevusa And even though the article wasn't about Kathy- she is funny as FUCK!!!!! | gotta agree with you - she's a riot to watch
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Originally Posted by KnightOfSappho I think that it would be wrong for any artistic being to censor their output, but all artistic beings must accept that such output will not always be well received, and may be shot down by the particular venue that they are using. | I don't like hearing slur words - but they can be used in certain context which is funny.
What I HATE - and I can remember Eddie Murphy doing this - is using the n-bomb continually and expecting people to laugh simply because he said the word. Worse yet - THEY DID. I'm sorry. There is no word that is simply hysterically funny because it's uttered...and redundancy doesn't make it any funnier.Merely offensive.
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Level up: 52%, 93 Points needed | | So why is it that when a black comedian uses the N-word it is okay, but if a white comedian were to use it, it is a racist affair. Either the word has racist undertones or it does not. You cannot have it both ways, and herein lies the problem.
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Originally Posted by sgtdmski So why is it that when a black comedian uses the N-word it is okay, but if a white comedian were to use it, it is a racist affair. Either the word has racist undertones or it does not. You cannot have it both ways, and herein lies the problem.
dmk | This is exactly the problem, Sarge. I personally do not agree with the use of such language (Being Black, I catch a lot of static from other Blacks because of this); because it only creates the larger problem that you have mentioned, Sarge. Many Black comedians (almost all, I should say) use what I refer to as "Black ignorance" in their repetoire- which will also be laced with this word. And everybody thinks it is funny. But tell me, if Jerry Sienfeld started using "nigger" jokes at his shows; what would be the result?
I can tell you with no uncerainty whatsoever. Every Black civic leader would be up in arms. And my favorite opportunist, Al Sharpton would be leading the charge; with all of them screaming "race".
Sarge is correct here, people. Not because I myself am Black and agree with him; but simply because one action will invariably lead to the other action I referred to earlier. This would be okay if both sides agree that this is acceptable behavior- but they won't and never will.
We Blacks must understand that in our open use of this word, that it is we who are initiating the start of the racial arguments sure to follow. The only answer is that we not use such language to which all others will understand that we do not like being referred to in such words.
But this is a process that must begin with the raising of our children. It will have to be we must stop allowing ourselves to use such language among ourselves first; before we can ever hope that others will not do so. |
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Originally Posted by sgtdmski So why is it that when a black comedian uses the N-word it is okay, but if a white comedian were to use it, it is a racist affair. Either the word has racist undertones or it does not. You cannot have it both ways, and herein lies the problem.
dmk | um, isn't that what this entire thread is about?
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