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Affirmative Action & Race Issues Do you feel that affirmative action should be expired, or do you feel that it should still be enforced? Defend your views on affirmative action in this forum.

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Old 11-13-2007, 08:21 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Yes I accept it from my own people. We, my people, use this word as strength. The word is used in so many ways to hurt and harm, so we use it in everyday speech. I don't know why honestly, but we do. Like I said before, its part of the culture and the environment. Just as it was part of the culture to be called boy and think nothing of it, but that part of the culture has slowed to a crawl. It’s not the same for a non-black to say what's up nigga. But for a black to say it, amongst his boys, yes it’s ok. If I walked in the hood and someone I didn’t know walked up to me and said what's up nigga, I wouldn’t think anything of it but NO ONE OTHER THAN a BLACK MAN/WOMAN should be saying it to another black person. Change the phrasing or enunciate the wrong syllable and you could have a riot on your hands.
Again, it’s this twisted train of thought that gets me. I can accept what you’re saying if you are saying that the word is bad and should never be said. I AGREE!!!!! But as you stated, if you’re saying that the word is bad but he gets a free pass because the way the conversation was made public was unethical and illegal, I don’t agree. The fact is, he said it, and he admits he says it a lot. Pick your battle. Either it’s ok to say all the time or NONE, there is no gray area. I chose to say it, my friends say it and if your a fried and your white, they know to say it at certain times and certain places because if it slips around people that do not know them, their dead. I admit I have some grey area. I know the word is bad, I know we shouldn’t say it, according to the public. But the consensus amongst young black men, especially of the hip hop culture, is that word was used to strike fear in black people years ago, white people can’t use it, but we can. We’ve earned that right.
Well, young man; my earlier posts on these very topics would have explained to you that 1: I am Black myself, and 2) I personally think we shouldn't even use words such as these, even among ourselves.
We denigrate ourselves by using phrases such as these. This is the thing that many Blacks cannot understand. This is what keeps many in the ghetto, on welfare, from broken homes; and many other ills of our society. We constantly drive these terms of "inadequacy" into ourselves because we think that it is okay, but it really isn't.We even delude ourselves by thinking that these terms have legitimacy coming from another Black- another fallacy!
Why would you even want to use or be referred to in such terms? These terms come from back in the slave days."Nigger" was how our ancestors were classified. "My nigger" showed ownership of the slave.
As far as the Bounty Hunter episode, what is the "free pass" you speak of? His words were distasteful; but not illegal. The only thing that could happen to him probably already is. His shows ratings are dropping like a rock. He can't be charged with any crime.
I don't believe that I have any such grey area with this topic. I don't use such phrases and don't want them used around me- Black or otherwise. I raise my son with that very same idea; and I wouldn't hesitate for one minute to break my foot off in his rear end if he ever utters such blasphemy in my presence.

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Old 11-14-2007, 08:20 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Very well spoken, not let me interject. What offends me is when people like you pretend that minor offenses should NOT be addressed because we have large issues. I agree with the fact that we have larger issues, like the ones you posted, but the minor ones, the subtle ones and the hints all need to be addressed. In your statement you said that Dog shouldn’t be judged because he said what he said in the “privacy” of his own home. You also stated that the figures were “hanging”.
I need you to see this from my perspective please. I grew up in the hood. Escaped it and finally made something of myself through education and experience.
I’m not saying that it is ok for the words that are being spoken on the radio and on the street. I’m stating that this is Rap music. Rap has always been about street poetry. If what you’re hearing on the radio offends you, it’s your right to turn it off and not buy it. Its also the artist’s right to speak candidly and be open and honest. They speak that way because of their environment that society made for them. I’m not giving them an excuse; I’m saying that the battle with rap artist has been a battle since the emergence of rap music on Pop culture. It’s not going to change because the culture isn’t.
What hasn’t changed is the word “nigga”. Yes a few educated people attempted a funeral and tried to give the word a proper burial. Was this “funeral” on national television? Shouldn’t this momentous occasion have been televised on every single network across the globe? Instead we got a blur on the news and newspaper about the funeral after the fact.
In direct response to what you said, if someone said that or anything else in secret, then I would call them a secret racist. Stating the word in supposed secrecy does not give him a free pass. I’m mad that you said you would not classify him as a racist for not saying a racist word. How completely and totally asinine of you. I’m tired of even the small stuff not being addressed and when this person, the star of a nationally syndicated television show says “nigga” is given reasons why its ok and the fact that he said it isn’t even the main issue is counter productive to the whole movement.
He didn’t say what’s up nigga. Or nigga please. He called her a nigga and he said it in a derogatory manor. I was offended the moment that I heard it, and you’re worried about his privacy.
Dude we have more in common than you realize. I faced much more adversity in my own young life growing up in the projects surrounded by "my people" than I have as an adult living among white people.

If black people don't want to ever hear the N" word uttered, then we ought never use it ourselves. How can we tell others to STFU if we don't STFU ourselves? That's bullshit.

Since I haven't listened to rap since it made the dark turn it made in the late 80's, I guess you might accept what it has become. But when I listened to rap, it was happy and enjoyable to listen to. Then it became an advertisement to all the things someone owns and all the women he is "hittin'". Like I care. RnB is depressing as well with all the cheating, loss, and endorsed promiscuousness.

That's very productive you would recommend my to turn off the radio than admit that we have a problem in the media marketed to us.

I disagree, I think something said to a family member should remain as such. If the man has never done anything publicaly "racist" as old as he is that we have discovered, I don't think he is racist. If he didn't want his son to bring a black woman into his circle where he admits they use the "N' word, that's his right. I've made disparaging comments about many different people in the company of my family, I'd hope they weren't recording it for later use.
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I find that the problem with what Dog the Bounty Hunter said was that it was in private. Isn't any one here going to own up to what they know is the problem with racism in America? The reason we have racism here, beyond the slavery of our past, is that it is born in the privacy of our homes. How many times has someone in your family said something in private that you never hear them say in public? That is how it works. Parents speaking that way in front of their kids is probably the main cause of racism in their kids. If that is what he says is private, you can bet that is how he really feels. He has just been exposed in the light of day. People who do this in private know that it's wrong, or else they would have no problem saying it outloud.
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I think that chastising this man for something that he did in th privacy of his own home also perpetrates racism. It ain't like black people don't say seriously f'd up things about white people in the privacy of their homes. Black comedians have built entire careers on it.
We all have some prejudices. Beating someone down for something done at home won't solve the problem. It may even make it worse.
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I don't think it matters what race is bashing the other, only that it all comes out of the home.
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I don't think it matters what race is bashing the other, only that it all comes out of the home.
In the case of Dog, the minister that married him was black, and in the context of what he was talking and who he was talking to, I don't have a problem with it.
If he had shown some sign of racism before this, we might have a case. But a guy that knows he does something in private that is socially unacceptable has a right to "do" that. The man was protecting himself and those that work for him. Whoever taped the conversation should be arrested for invading his privacy.

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I think that chastising this man for something that he did in th privacy of his own home also perpetrates racism. It ain't like black people don't say seriously f'd up things about white people in the privacy of their homes. Black comedians have built entire careers on it.
We all have some prejudices. Beating someone down for something done at home won't solve the problem. It may even make it worse.
The point is that Chapman was playing one role in public, and an entirely different one in private.

So was he lying in public or lying in private?
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In the case of Dog, the minister that married him was black, and in the context of what he was talking and who he was talking to, I don't have a problem with it.
If he had shown some sign of racism before this, we might have a case. But a guy that knows he does something in private that is socially unacceptable has a right to "do" that. The man was protecting himself and those that work for him. Whoever taped the conversation should be arrested for invading his privacy.
Dog Chapman is the last guy to accuse someone else of invading privacy!

He makes a living and had a TV career doing exactly that!

Now it's becoming clear why we never saw him arresting any white people............
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I never watched his show. So I can't comment on who he arrested.

But if bounty hunters have any pf the same powers of police, when a person decides to jump bail, they endanger everyone they associate with. From bounty hunter to police, they are all loose cannons.
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am i wrong
I agree with some of the conversation here, I also disagree with most. I'm not giving someone a "free-pass" or let them off the hook because something they said was done in privacy and someone let the cat out the bag and turned state...ask former President Clinton about that little mishap.
My point that I was trying to make here, and the point that I am trying so desperately across is racism is racism. It doesn’t matter how minute or inadvertent the message, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck...it’s a duck.
If I call white people cracka, if I make comments about "the man" holding me down, I’m racist. If he says he refers to them as niggas and he admits using the word, obviously he sees blacks as somewhat inferior just by using the word, he might be a subtle racist or use racist terms. That’s a racist in my book. Sorry. Its pretty clear cut on how he feels and how and what he calls black people. Now tell me, is this not racism, or am I just too sensitive?
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