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Old 08-26-2005, 11:06 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I'm nowhere near conservative to be a Republican, though ^_^. Political parties suck. I don't fall in line with either damn party. I feel most social programs are useful, but they've been abused and you're right the funding isn't there. We don't have the money to keep providing welfare that has a 50% success in getting people back on jobs (how can it take more than a year, at MOST to get a job, even at McDonald's?). It's just as much the citizen's fault for abusing social programs. While there are people that do really depend on things like Welfare, they shouldn't be. Getting a check based on the number of kids drove women to have many more kids so that they could get a bigger check...and then they changed that statute for the most part. I support welfare and Social Security and such, but what sucks is that a few people abuse it and gradually more do...and it becomes a farce that muscles out the people who actually do need it. Welfare is a temporary solution. Same with social security. Nobody should be living off that check. Our generation is going to be fucked when we retire because we spend so much, save so little, and most people are at least $5000 in debt. There's no way we would be able to maintain a lifestyle on a measly Social Security check. That's why private accounts should happen, but gradually. Otherwise people about to retire get fucked. Like everyone that's going to be 18 in year X should start putting into their private accounts, and you gradually move the percentage going into a private account higher and higher, then have a certain percentage of whatever you have when you retire cushioned with taxpayer money. That way, you're not spending so much public money on Social Security, but not leaving people to completely fuck themselves over. I could go into more detail but don't really feel like and am hoping you understood my idea since I'm on a caffeine high and really jittery right now

Speaking of shit like debt...I'm gonna start a topic about the credit card reform going though this october, conveniently right afte the bankruptcy laws change.
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Old 08-26-2005, 08:14 PM   #52 (permalink)
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My guess is that an adequate budget for these programs was not in place. Or poor execution. Or do republicans really think all social programs are bogus?
Every year we spend more and more money, yet the problems do not get fixed. Money is not the answer, that much is obvious, for it were the answer, the Six Trillion dollars that have been spent since the inception of Johnson's Great Society in the 1960's would have accomplished the dream of eliminating poverty. It has not.

We have developed a culture of entitlement, the idea that the government owes us something. We subsidize those who are underachievers by taxing those who are overacheivers. Life shouldn't be easy, there needs to be some challenge to surviving, it is part of man's nature. The things in my life that I am the most proud of are those that I worked my tail off to accomplish. I gave up going out to party or to drink, spending time watching television or listening to the radio, and even going out on dates to accomplish the tasks that I needed to accomplish to gain what it was I wanted. Today we punish hard work. The harder you work to make more money the more money the government takes from you to give to those who do less work, if they even work at all. Enough is enough, its a grand idea to have a social safety net, but ours has grown too large, to encompass entirely too many people. A little bit of hard work and self-sacrifice has never killed anyone, but rather only ensured their need to work even harder.

Once we have abdicated those who receive entitlements from any responsibility, why should they bother to care. They know the basic requirements that they need to accomplish to keep receiving entitlements, and that is exactly what they do.

The programs didn't work, it must have been the money. Perhaps it was the people. Perhaps they didn't work hard enough, or more importantly perhaps they assumed that the government will just do more for them. It is time we start holding people accountable for the actions, responsibility sucks, but with rights comes duties, and duties assume responsiblity.

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My guess is that an adequate budget for these programs was not in place. Or poor execution. Or do republicans really think all social programs are bogus?
Every year we spend more and more money, yet the problems do not get fixed. Money is not the answer, that much is obvious, for it were the answer, the Six Trillion dollars that have been spent since the inception of Johnson's Great Society in the 1960's would have accomplished the dream of eliminating poverty. It has not.

We have developed a culture of entitlement, the idea that the government owes us something. We subsidize those who are underachievers by taxing those who are overacheivers. Life shouldn't be easy, there needs to be some challenge to surviving, it is part of man's nature. The things in my life that I am the most proud of are those that I worked my tail off to accomplish. I gave up going out to party or to drink, spending time watching television or listening to the radio, and even going out on dates to accomplish the tasks that I needed to accomplish to gain what it was I wanted. Today we punish hard work. The harder you work to make more money the more money the government takes from you to give to those who do less work, if they even work at all. Enough is enough, its a grand idea to have a social safety net, but ours has grown too large, to encompass entirely too many people. A little bit of hard work and self-sacrifice has never killed anyone, but rather only ensured their need to work even harder.

Once we have abdicated those who receive entitlements from any responsibility, why should they bother to care. They know the basic requirements that they need to accomplish to keep receiving entitlements, and that is exactly what they do.

The programs didn't work, it must have been the money. Perhaps it was the people. Perhaps they didn't work hard enough, or more importantly perhaps they assumed that the government will just do more for them. It is time we start holding people accountable for the actions, responsibility sucks, but with rights comes duties, and duties assume responsiblity.

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My guess is that an adequate budget for these programs was not in place. Or poor execution. Or do republicans really think all social programs are bogus?
Every year we spend more and more money, yet the problems do not get fixed. Money is not the answer, that much is obvious, for it were the answer, the Six Trillion dollars that have been spent since the inception of Johnson's Great Society in the 1960's would have accomplished the dream of eliminating poverty. It has not.

We have developed a culture of entitlement, the idea that the government owes us something. We subsidize those who are underachievers by taxing those who are overacheivers. Life shouldn't be easy, there needs to be some challenge to surviving, it is part of man's nature. The things in my life that I am the most proud of are those that I worked my tail off to accomplish. I gave up going out to party or to drink, spending time watching television or listening to the radio, and even going out on dates to accomplish the tasks that I needed to accomplish to gain what it was I wanted. Today we punish hard work. The harder you work to make more money the more money the government takes from you to give to those who do less work, if they even work at all. Enough is enough, its a grand idea to have a social safety net, but ours has grown too large, to encompass entirely too many people. A little bit of hard work and self-sacrifice has never killed anyone, but rather only ensured their need to work even harder.

Once we have abdicated those who receive entitlements from any responsibility, why should they bother to care. They know the basic requirements that they need to accomplish to keep receiving entitlements, and that is exactly what they do.

The programs didn't work, it must have been the money. Perhaps it was the people. Perhaps they didn't work hard enough, or more importantly perhaps they assumed that the government will just do more for them. It is time we start holding people accountable for the actions, responsibility sucks, but with rights comes duties, and duties assume responsiblity.

dmk

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Old 08-29-2005, 06:57 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I'm happy!
We've only spent 6 tril since the 1960s? Suprising, to say the least. I have no problem with social programs, as long as the money isn't being shat around like monkeys throwing poo. My personal favourite is Mass. car insurance. In downtown Boston, and other heavily urban areas in the state, insurance premiums are capped. This means that the insurance companies can't charge adequately for the risk, and that now the companies pass the added costs onto their suburban and rural customers. I hate this with such a passion it's unbelievable. Couple that with the fact that a damn Camry is a high-risk car, and I'm paying literally 3 grand / year for my insurance. Not only am I paying for my OWN high risk, I'm paying for other people's?!?! We're one of the only states that still does that.
Boston has PLENTY of public transportation; every damn 16 and 17 year-old doesn't need a 1992-93 civic with boatloads of stolen parts on it. I abhor that so much. You can't spend 10 grand upgrading your car and then complain you don't have money for basic necessities. Plus then your car just looks like a spaceship and one wonders why they get pulled over every other block. Doing that to the car ALSO means the risk is higher, and thus adds to everyone else's premiums. [/rant]

It really is backward though that we still pay for that stuff, though. People living in Boston have T-Lines up the arse; there's no need for a car since you're walking basically 1/2 mile at most to the next train station. It's cheaper than buying a gallon of gas, nevermind buying a car and complimentary insurance.
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But the real question: Are you happy?
Why wouldn't I be happy?? I like my job, and I get a sense of pride and accomplishment out of working hard. I am more than content and happy with what I do. My attitude does not reflect my unhappiness, but rather my disdain for what is so basically obvious.

In the private sector a company fails or succeeds based on the product or service the company offers. The government has no such standard. No matter how much any program has failed to accomplish its primary goals, it is rewarded with more money. If only the real world worked that way.

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But the real question: Are you happy?
Why wouldn't I be happy?? I like my job, and I get a sense of pride and accomplishment out of working hard. I am more than content and happy with what I do. My attitude does not reflect my unhappiness, but rather my disdain for what is so basically obvious.

In the private sector a company fails or succeeds based on the product or service the company offers. The government has no such standard. No matter how much any program has failed to accomplish its primary goals, it is rewarded with more money. If only the real world worked that way.
I completely agree. Competition is the key to progress. If your income is garunteed why strive to excel and improve?
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I like the poll results
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No-choice education. Of all industialized countries, we have one of the lowest education scores. We have teachers who teach children the wrong information, we have schools that pass children to get them out of their rolls. We continually spend more and more money on education, yet less and less makes it to the classroom. Our public schools are at the mercy of the teaching unions. Their responsibility is to their members, and not to education of our children. Why else can you explain the unions opposition to teacher testing. Once upon a time we had math teachers that had majored in math, and science teachers who majored in science, and so forth and so on, today we have teachers that major in education, and what are they taught, how to teach. How do we expect our children to learn, when many of the teachers themselved truly do not know the subjects that they are teaching.
We live in a country were education is placed first and foremost at the bottom of the list. Do I agree with you that Math teachers should have a Math degree and vice versa? yes I do (a lot of them do). Let's use MA as an example. This is the reason why the MCAS test was designed in the first place. The state government gives the public school system money for supplies, book, and resources in return for progress on the exams that show a significant improvement that the child is learning and not being "dicked" through the system. MCAS was a walking-nightmare at first until it was redesigned and improved. The Reason teachers oppose testing or at least I believe in this state for instance is, beacause it's extremely difficult to get certified! one of the hardest states in the country. Can you imagine going through all of that and having to put in the amount of time you do only to get less than adequate starting salary? My friend teachers in public schools don't get payed enough to do what they do.

http://edworkforce.house.gov/press/p...cost021004.htm

There is the case against the NCLA were one can argue it's overfunded.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=44515

Here we can see why liberals scream that it's "underfunded".

Anyway what it basically I am trying to get at is if you can't fund public school system and face the problems that surround them Charters Schools aren't going to do anything to help the problem. Neoconservatives don't have to worry about that, because I am sure a lot of them send their children to private schools with their own personal finances.

"Across all sectors, more than 40 percent of full-time teachers reported participating in professional development activities that focused on in-depth study of content in their main teaching field in the last 12 months. Among full-time traditional public school teachers, 59.3 percent participated in such professional development activities, compared with 55.2 percent of full-time public charter school teachers and 43.1 percent of full-time private school teachers." -SOURCE: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2002).

Using these statistics I don't think we can say that public school teachers don't necessarily know what they are teaching, especially since at lot of them are taking part in professional development activities.

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It really is backward though that we still pay for that stuff, though. People living in Boston have T-Lines up the arse; there's no need for a car since you're walking basically 1/2 mile at most to the next train station. It's cheaper than buying a gallon of gas, nevermind buying a car and complimentary insurance.
I agree with you on that note. It really is ashame that we have all of this public transportation and we don't make effective of use of it including a Commuter Rail! then they wonder why there is so much goddamn traffic and congestion coming downtown into the city. We also stastically have some of the worst drivers in the country. That's why the damn insurance rates are so high.
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