I actually don't think we really know how many people died due to the Nazi's all we know was it was shitloads ...I actually don't like the other non Jewish people are left out when we talk about the Nazi's ..I do think that is an issue..I don't think its right

I have been to a few of these camps in my travels and in Dachau the ovens where never used but many Catholic Nuns and Priests where sent there for genetic/reproductive experimentation and there actually is a Nunnery as memorial to all the Nuns who had their reproductive organs mutilated due to experimentation in the camp..I guess these are the 'Politicals" in the list...I do admire the politicals they didn't have to help but many of them did..

Anyway much as any discussion surrounding the actual date of Jesus's birth I don't think this debate means anything other then reveals the prejudice and moronicness of the DickHenry and that other retard Jane or Jennifer or whatever the hell her name is..the Nazi's killed a bucket load of people because they could and justfied the terror by creating classes of 'sub-humans' and any attempt to undermine the effect of the Nazi's on the worlds conscience is moronic..

as is any attempt to pull apart Judaism as a way of proving modern religious belief is false..it just can't be done..its never going to happen because our concept of reality is built in part of Judaistic belief structure. It also assumes that whatever comes next is better then what we have now..if we had no religion some other mass delusion would take its place

Actually, the numbers I've provided, were the 'conservative' numbers...Some sources actually have the numbers almost doubled.

I agree with you to the point that there's no knowing for sure just how many people were killed or in what manner.

And I can also agree with you about your other point, that the deaths of the non-Jewish casualties shouldn't be disregarded either...Afterall, those deaths were as much of a tragedy as the Jewish ones...

But let me try to explain WHY so much emphasis is put on the Jewish deaths...Outside of the deaths of the non-Jewish people, their races/cultures wasn't threatened to be made extinct. Although there were heavy losses, in overall population, their socieities/cultures weren't threatened with complete innhalation...Although, I'm sure IF Hitler's regime hadn't been stopped, their populations might very well have been extinct...Afterall, after there wasn't any Jewish people left, he'd have had to have moved his focus to some other group to blame...The Romanies, Serbs, and Soviets...But his first concern was the Jewish people.

That wasn't the case though, in regards to the Jewish losses. In those instances, whole communities/cultures were nearly emancipated...Did you know that of the Polish Jewish communities killed, that it was a 90% death toll? As well as 90% of the Jewish population wiped out Latvia and Lithuania. 70% of the Jewish population was eradicated in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Greece, and the Netherlands? 50% killed in Belgium, Hungary, and Romania...As well as in the Ukraine and Belarus...

Overall, 60-75% of the European Jewish culture was wiped out, decemating that culture drastically, as well as being well over half of the total casualties caused by the Nazi regime...All other groups put together, not even coming close to those figures?

One group of people alone, being the majority of those killed...And that's why the world focused on that. Cause if one mad man could hate one particular group so much? Then what mad man would come next and what group of people would they target next to make extinct?

Put it into this context...Look how the US has responded to the threat of terrorism? The biggest card played is how Al Queda is wanting to kill off Christians...Hence the reason we're that target...

It's addressed as 'Terrorists want to kill America cause it's a Christian Nation'...

Well here's the thing...WHAT IF that actually did happen? Sure, there'd be some non-Christiand gathered up and killed along the way if the scenerio happened here...But what would the focus be on, because what is it the Western World hears as to why we're hated?

The history and numbers would have non-Christians numbers listed BUT the focus would be on the numbers of Christians killed...Why? Cause those trying to wipe our nation out, their first goal would be to wipe out the Christian monster they have led their people to believe is at fault...Their goal to 'purify the world from the Christain heathens destroying Allah's choosen people'.

That's what is the case in regards to the Holocuast being remembered...Everyone knows that it wasn't just Jewish people killed...BUT the focus of Hitler's war was to wipe out the Jewish people, of who he blamed for the German condition ailing. Thus the numbers reflect how he went about doing just and is why people focus on it...

Hitler went about systematically killing those he faulted for bringing Germany down...Those he felt were 'insuperior' to his ideal...And the sad part is, there's people in this world today, that think one group or another is 'insuperior' to theirs, who'd happily do a similar thing if allowed...

People focus on those Jewish losses, cause deep down they wonder if it'll be their own who suffer like that...If they're culture/people will be targetted and possibly made extinct.

Actually, I was thinking more of Political Paralegal; but either one will do.

It is human nature to form groups based on one's standards, values and beliefs, where one's individual rights allows anyone to form any group they want. The difference between individualism and collectivism is the direction of control, not the ability to organize our environment into logical associations to make sense of reality, which forms groups.

Individualism is where the direction of control is from the individual to the group, for the benefit of the individual. Collectivism is the opposite of individualism, where the direction of control is from the group to the individual, and as a member of the group, one is expected to forfeit individual interest, rights and control, for the benefit and the continuation of the group.

In the collectivist paradigm, the parent/child relationship, is valid because until a child becomes an adult mentally, they can not survive on their own. Because the parent brought the child into the world by their own actions, they have sole responsibility to raise and nurture the child. As the child grows and is capable of taking on more of the responsibility of their actions, they are given authority to act. One can not contract with a minor, because they have not reached their mental maturity. One is in the state of adolescence, until they can break through the collectivist paradigm and become fully developed mentally.

Outside the parent/child relationship, the collectivist paradigm becomes a master/slave relationship, therefore is totally illegitimate in society. The main tactic used to take the responsibility away from their criminal actions, is to make the responsibility collective, so they can hide in the individualist paradigm. Collectivism (Judaism) has tried to legitimize the elitist, preacher, politician to take care of the fully grown infants. These are the sociopathic tyrants and the parasitic bottom feeders. Some people never achieve adulthood because of their social ineptness.

One is either an individualist or they abandon the principles of self ownership in order to become a part of the collective. The individualist paradigm, is for all those who are fully developed socially that can accept full responsibility for their actions. Those that can't, are the deviates of society. People that can't break through the collectivist paradigm, usually end up as predators in prison or elitists, preachers, politicians, government workers, or social parasites like welfare queens.

Answer me this jen, do you really think your special by doing this?

I wonder how many American Indians were killed by plain old white folk to clear the land here in the U.S.?

More. Much more.

Though it doesn't make what happened to the Jews any less horrific if even if it's "only" 12 million, 6 million, or 270,000.

Does it really matter how many does it make it less evil if it was one or 12 million??? I know why Hitler did what he did no need to explain it. He picked out a group who were politically weak in Germany and used them to control a nation and take over other countries. His people at first loved him and then they geared him and Fear makes people do terrible things. Islamic Extremists actually do the opposite they find the disenfranchised and politically weak and use them to attack the worlds most powerful nation..Further we;d remember the Christains who were killed in your scenario because it what would DIRECTLY affect us...just as the murder of Jewish people affected us directly because New York has the worlds 2nd largest Jewish population (city population) ..history istold be those who win..and in truth your scaenario would only be true if we actually won..and if that ever happens let us hope we do..


if we got rid of religion we'd still destroy each other..religion is just an excuse ..man has it in his nature to destroy..even everything we make will one day be destroyed either by passage of time or we will blow it the hell up...the issue is we've never gotten over our animals instincts...maybe one day we will evolve...

I think concentrating on the Jewish people does a dis-service to the evil of the situation which was the complete corruption of power because government went unchecked by the people and justfied itself when questioned by saying interest of National Security ..sound familiar???...I know why we concentrate on the Jewish people why are you even trying to explain it??? I don't think there is anything wrong with concentrating on the Jewish people killed either..I just think it does a dis-service to the true evil which was he murdered (or allowed to be murdered) anything in his way and found anything to justify it...Hitler wanted to rid Eastern Europe of the communist which is why he attacked so many people in the former USSR...Jews just happened to be as disliked by the Russians as by the Germans so at first they didn't care what he was doing and then he invaded Poland......

Conquering nations have committed all sorts of horrible acts of genocide including our own countryman..they all but completely destroyed Native American Culture and slaughtered them, they kept slaves (and in this Nation today the third biggest illegal money maker is human trafficking..that right here today and I don't just mean some Mexican coming over the boarder I mean people bought here from Russia, South East Asia and China and used as slaves)....anyway our government sanctioned slavery and the destruction of Native American culture ...just like the German Govt did with the Jews

the British did the same with many other countries..yet as we are directly involed we like to skip over the systematic destruction and deliberate attack on a culture for money and power because it gives us a yucky feeling...

your sphincter said what???

She is 'special' ..I bet she gets the short bus