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Old 04-28-2005, 03:24 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Actually my parents aren't racist hevusa. Not one bit. So bad guess... and I don't hate my fellow human. I think that anyone who wants to make it can. It's called determiniation... drive... desire... etc etc. there is financial aid and scholarships that help you get educated... in state schools that can start you off and you can work hard to get good grades and transfer to better schools with more scholarships. Affirmative Action is past its time.

And onlyoneplanet... it's a very ghetto school... gangs, fights, weapons... you name it they have it. But just because these people are "ghetto" in mannerisms doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. They all want to go somewhere and work for it, despite coming from lower income and violent backgrounds. They don't let the downfalls of their community and family life get in the way of going somewhere. It's all about how hard you work and how bad you want it. They want it... they work for it. All "smart" schools don't have to be made up of properly dressed people speaking correct english... You can be "ghetto" and still type an A+ paper and graduate the top of your class. People act differently with friends than they do in a business environment.

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So let me get this straight. You whine about AA for helping people with less opportunity than us (networking happens to be the #1 reason for people getting good jobs) but you don't care that our military has a 400 billion dollar budget? I just want to make sure I understand where you are coming from.
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Old 04-28-2005, 03:47 PM   #92 (permalink)
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The point is people shouldn't have to escape these places! And there are many, many, many who simply can't!
What about the people who don't want help? Who don't want to get out? There are millions of people who would rather cop out of school and spend the rest of their lives popping out kids, collecting wellfare, and working in low paying jobs for the rest of their lives. They don't want help.. they want handouts... If they really wanted to get out of their slum, they'd work for it like the rest of society has.

And going to a predominently black school doesn't make a bit of difference. Where I live there is a public school called Walnut Hills... The school is predominently black, and it only accepts those with good grades and a desire to attend college. So your point is not valid.. I will admit the school is "ghetto" is escence, but that hasn't stopped hundreds and thousands of black students from graduating from this school and entering college with honors and with scholarships based on performance and not race. They come from many different backgrounds, but they desire to learn and to go somewhere in life, so they work for it...

Just because some low life wants a good paying job, but they don't wanna work for it, doesn't mean that they should get to play the race card and take the job over someone who is more qualified. That doesn't make any sense, and it's discriminatory against those who aren't included in AA. It was needed years ago, it's not anymore. You want help? Fine... we're more than happy to offer it. You want a free handout? Too bad.. get off your ass and work for it.

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Why don't you care about your fellow human? They aren't all lazy bastards who hog resources! Where the hell does this kind of attitude come from?

My guess: rascist parents.
You can help them get a start but they should be able to start doing things on their own, and not take money and thigns away from people who work hard to make a living and have lesiure money for their family

What the hell kind of thinking is that? Are you going to chase after them all and find out what they are doing with the money and their lives? No? Are they going to hire 1 person for every one that might need help to see that exactly the right thing is happening? No?

Welfare and other social program's budget is NOTHING compared to the 400 billion the military gets. If you want to whine about where your tax dollars are being wasted focus your anger there. Otherwise you are just a whining confused conservative.
Take away just giving money to people they need to reform the welfare program, i have already stated this many times.. NO i am glad the money is going toward our NATIONAL SECURITY
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I don't have the same opportunities as a lot of people.. my parents don't buy me things like cars and clothes... they don't have connections, i didn't qualify for financial aid, i didn't get any scholarships... but I work for things and make my own opportunities. Just like the people in the school I listed above... they don't let their situations keep them down. They work for what they want.

And I don't have a problem with the money we spend on our military each year. I want them to be protected as best they can.. I don't want a lot of casualties. I want them to find way to counter act a nuclear attack... I want them to be able to efficiently complete missions in a timely manner. So no.. I don't have a problem with it.

I do believe that more funding needs to be put into schooling to counter the differences in education, but I believe AA is past it's time and needs to end.

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I don't have the same opportunities as a lot of people.. my parents don't buy me things like cars and clothes... they don't have connections, i didn't qualify for financial aid, i didn't get any scholarships... but I work for things and make my own opportunities. Just like the people in the school I listed above... they don't let their situations keep them down. They work for what they want.

And I don't have a problem with the money we spend on our military each year. I want them to be protected as best they can.. I don't want a lot of casualties. I want them to find way to counter act a nuclear attack... I want them to be able to efficiently complete missions in a timely manner. So no.. I don't have a problem with it.

I do believe that more funding needs to be put into schooling to counter the differences in education, but I believe AA is past it's time and needs to end.

-Ali
Bullshit. My family was middle class and I qualified for financial aid.

And if you combine the military budget of Russia, China AND the "axis of evil" it only equals 130 Billion dollars. Even if we cut our military budget in half we would be fine to defend ourselves. What you want to support militarily is imperialism.

Welfare is not the problem. But feel free to keep whining.
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Actually my parents aren't racist hevusa. Not one bit. So bad guess... and I don't hate my fellow human. I think that anyone who wants to make it can. It's called determiniation... drive... desire... etc etc. there is financial aid and scholarships that help you get educated... in state schools that can start you off and you can work hard to get good grades and transfer to better schools with more scholarships. Affirmative Action is past its time.

And onlyoneplanet... it's a very ghetto school... gangs, fights, weapons... you name it they have it. But just because these people are "ghetto" in mannerisms doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. They all want to go somewhere and work for it, despite coming from lower income and violent backgrounds. They don't let the downfalls of their community and family life get in the way of going somewhere. It's all about how hard you work and how bad you want it. They want it... they work for it. All "smart" schools don't have to be made up of properly dressed people speaking correct english... You can be "ghetto" and still type an A+ paper and graduate the top of your class. People act differently with friends than they do in a business environment.

-Ali
Ahhh, you'll have to excuse me. The idea of "ghetto" mannerisms never occured to me, I always associate the word ghetto with places in poor economic condition instead of people and their actions.

I'm not trying to be annoyingly critical, but something still doesn't add up in your description of the school. Does it have a webpage?
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Bullshit. My family was middle class and I qualified for financial aid.
good for you... do you want a sticker? I tried every which way to qualify.. nothing worked... I don't qualify for financial aid, even if your middle class family did.

onlyoneplanet: unfortuanately their webpage is extremely small with little information but here's the address. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7337/

In my part of town especially "ghetto" is used to describe people and places. Run down places with little funding, places where many fights occur, places in which the environment feels unsafe... people who are involved with gangs, who frequently are involved in fights, etc etc... the list goes on. I know it's a horrible comparison, but the movie Save the Last Dance... the guy is involved in gang related activities and comes from a low income family in the inner city, yet is intelligent and works to get somewhere in life. Yes I know it's amovie but situations like this do exist.

In college environments especially, I believe race and gender should be omitted from the deciding factors.. there should be no insight into the race or sex of the person applyin, therefore ensuring fair inclusion into the University.

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Bullshit. My family was middle class and I qualified for financial aid.
good for you... do you want a sticker? I tried every which way to qualify.. nothing worked... I don't qualify for financial aid, even if your middle class family did.

onlyoneplanet: unfortuanately their webpage is extremely small with little information but here's the address. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7337/

In my part of town especially "ghetto" is used to describe people and places. Run down places with little funding, places where many fights occur, places in which the environment feels unsafe... people who are involved with gangs, who frequently are involved in fights, etc etc... the list goes on. I know it's a horrible comparison, but the movie Save the Last Dance... the guy is involved in gang related activities and comes from a low income family in the inner city, yet is intelligent and works to get somewhere in life. Yes I know it's amovie but situations like this do exist.

In college environments especially, I believe race and gender should be omitted from the deciding factors.. there should be no insight into the race or sex of the person applyin, therefore ensuring fair inclusion into the University.

-Ali

This coming from someone who compares the love between two humans to the love between a human and animals and peas and what have you. You sure are smart!

How degrading can you get?
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I'm not the one comparing it... just wait... go ahead an legalize gay marriage. You'll have people wanting to marry their pets or boats and what not... they'll justify that it's true love. They'll question why it's different than two men or two women getting married. Society will rationalize it and eventually accept it and the world will fall deeper into the hole we've been digging.

I'm degrading? How so? Because I describe a group of people? I'm not basing it solely off race... you have plenty of Slim Shady wannabes as well.. and let's not forget the white trash of America who just wants to sit back and get wasted. I am not biased to any race. I'm biased against people's way of living. Raising kids to be druggies and theives and alcoholics and lazy bastards is what I'm against. Crawl out of the hole.. strive for something! I may not be too poor now, but I've been there... I've scraped for pennies, payed rent way late, eaten nothing but crackers or ramen noodles once a day if I was lucky. I've been in debt and I pulled myself out. I made sacrifices and worked my a** off. I still don't have much money and I still depend on my paychecks to get by. I wish I had more money, but I want to earn it myself.

Go ahead... make assumptions about me. I'm not some rich little white girl whose mommy and daddy pay for everything. I'm working everyday to get somewhere in life instead of depending on handouts and free money. Like I said before, I don't even qulaify for financial aid, and I'm still making it ok.

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I'm not the one comparing it... just wait... go ahead an legalize gay marriage. You'll have people wanting to marry their pets or boats and what not... they'll justify that it's true love. They'll question why it's different than two men or two women getting married. Society will rationalize it and eventually accept it and the world will fall deeper into the hole we've been digging.

I'm degrading? How so? Because I describe a group of people? I'm not basing it solely off race... you have plenty of Slim Shady wannabes as well.. and let's not forget the white trash of America who just wants to sit back and get wasted. I am not biased to any race. I'm biased against people's way of living. Raising kids to be druggies and theives and alcoholics and lazy bastards is what I'm against. Crawl out of the hole.. strive for something! I may not be too poor now, but I've been there... I've scraped for pennies, payed rent way late, eaten nothing but crackers or ramen noodles once a day if I was lucky. I've been in debt and I pulled myself out. I made sacrifices and worked my a** off. I still don't have much money and I still depend on my paychecks to get by. I wish I had more money, but I want to earn it myself.

Go ahead... make assumptions about me. I'm not some rich little white girl whose mommy and daddy pay for everything. I'm working everyday to get somewhere in life instead of depending on handouts and free money. Like I said before, I don't even qulaify for financial aid, and I'm still making it ok.

-Ali
Okay, people wouldn't be wanting to marry boats or pets, maybe one or two very strange individuals, but they're shit-outta-luck because animals and boats can't sign the legal documents necessary for confirming a marriage.

As for siblings marrying, I don't think there would be any kind of movement in such a case, be realistic here--there just simply AREN'T that many wackos out there who would want to marry their brother or sister, whereas 4-5% of the American population is homosexual or bisexual (these statistics don't include all the people who're in the closet or QQ either).
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I'm not the one comparing it... just wait... go ahead an legalize gay marriage. You'll have people wanting to marry their pets or boats and what not... they'll justify that it's true love. They'll question why it's different than two men or two women getting married. Society will rationalize it and eventually accept it and the world will fall deeper into the hole we've been digging.

I'm degrading? How so? Because I describe a group of people? I'm not basing it solely off race... you have plenty of Slim Shady wannabes as well.. and let's not forget the white trash of America who just wants to sit back and get wasted. I am not biased to any race. I'm biased against people's way of living. Raising kids to be druggies and theives and alcoholics and lazy bastards is what I'm against. Crawl out of the hole.. strive for something! I may not be too poor now, but I've been there... I've scraped for pennies, payed rent way late, eaten nothing but crackers or ramen noodles once a day if I was lucky. I've been in debt and I pulled myself out. I made sacrifices and worked my a** off. I still don't have much money and I still depend on my paychecks to get by. I wish I had more money, but I want to earn it myself.

Go ahead... make assumptions about me. I'm not some rich little white girl whose mommy and daddy pay for everything. I'm working everyday to get somewhere in life instead of depending on handouts and free money. Like I said before, I don't even qulaify for financial aid, and I'm still making it ok.

-Ali
If the peas and boats were consenting adults.. why not. Fortunately that isn't possible... so let's not degrade people by comparing their love with the love of inanimate objects.
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