He could of had the music playing?

So like 1 in 20 are able to escape with drive and determination and the American public is supposed to accept that as normal?? BS

No they should change the public schools, take money from welfare programs and then put it back into the schools, sounds logical to me

What about the people who don't want help? Who don't want to get out? There are millions of people who would rather cop out of school and spend the rest of their lives popping out kids, collecting wellfare, and working in low paying jobs for the rest of their lives. They don't want help.. they want handouts... If they really wanted to get out of their slum, they'd work for it like the rest of society has.

And going to a predominently black school doesn't make a bit of difference. Where I live there is a public school called Walnut Hills... The school is predominently black, and it only accepts those with good grades and a desire to attend college. So your point is not valid.. I will admit the school is "ghetto" is escence, but that hasn't stopped hundreds and thousands of black students from graduating from this school and entering college with honors and with scholarships based on performance and not race. They come from many different backgrounds, but they desire to learn and to go somewhere in life, so they work for it...

Just because some low life wants a good paying job, but they don't wanna work for it, doesn't mean that they should get to play the race card and take the job over someone who is more qualified. That doesn't make any sense, and it's discriminatory against those who aren't included in AA. It was needed years ago, it's not anymore. You want help? Fine... we're more than happy to offer it. You want a free handout? Too bad.. get off your ass and work for it.

-Ali

I'm kind of in the middle on Affirmative Action... Anyone care to persuade me to one side or another...Because even with all of this.. I'm still stuck. I've talked to people (minorities) who benefit from such policies, and those of the majority who feel they are being discriminated against.. I'm not sure which position is right... One last question.. Does AA work with quotas within minority groups? ... I mean is it possible for one minority group to "discriminate" against another through AA?

If Walnut Hills only accepts students with good grades who want to go to college, why is it still "ghetto"? You'd think it would recieve more funding if it's producing students like the ones you speak of.

You have to realize that these people working low-paying jobs also contribute to society. Who's going to take those shitty jobs if they don't? No one trying to become a doctor or a lawyer. I say that if they're okay to deal with that sort of patternized standard of living, they should be allowed that welfare check.

Look, imagine working as a grocery bagger for and extended period of time. Talk about stress. They're not sitting down in nice offices getting people to sign papers, scamming them out of their money.

Look, no matter who you are, everyone tries to cheat the system somehow. The uneducated working class man is better than that sly cocksucker he works for in my opinion. Cut them some slack, everyone has different ideals, and the good thing about the welfare program is that it fits these people who figure they don't need to have all this fancy shit that so many Americans take for granted.

Other than that, we ignore the poor because we think that we're somehow better. We're convinced that a person with nice, clean, conditioned hair and nice clothes, who drives a nice car is what a good person looks like. That's what our materialist society says about people; "Lets talk about that shirt, what does it say to people about you as a person?"

Anyway, I'm getting carried away with this, but feel free to combat my argument.

Why don't you care about your fellow human? They aren't all lazy bastards who hog resources! Where the hell does this kind of attitude come from?

My guess: rascist parents.

You can help them get a start but they should be able to start doing things on their own, and not take money and thigns away from people who work hard to make a living and have lesiure money for their family

What the hell kind of thinking is that? Are you going to chase after them all and find out what they are doing with the money and their lives? No? Are they going to hire 1 person for every one that might need help to see that exactly the right thing is happening? No?

Welfare and other social program's budget is NOTHING compared to the 400 billion the military gets. If you want to whine about where your tax dollars are being wasted focus your anger there. Otherwise you are just a whining confused conservative.

Actually my parents aren't racist hevusa. Not one bit. So bad guess... and I don't hate my fellow human. I think that anyone who wants to make it can. It's called determiniation... drive... desire... etc etc. there is financial aid and scholarships that help you get educated... in state schools that can start you off and you can work hard to get good grades and transfer to better schools with more scholarships. Affirmative Action is past its time.

And onlyoneplanet... it's a very ghetto school... gangs, fights, weapons... you name it they have it. But just because these people are "ghetto" in mannerisms doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. They all want to go somewhere and work for it, despite coming from lower income and violent backgrounds. They don't let the downfalls of their community and family life get in the way of going somewhere. It's all about how hard you work and how bad you want it. They want it... they work for it. All "smart" schools don't have to be made up of properly dressed people speaking correct english... You can be "ghetto" and still type an A+ paper and graduate the top of your class. People act differently with friends than they do in a business environment.

-Ali