When did you become a human being?

I don't know. At what stage does the soul develop?

One more time hev...
You keep insisting that you don't think anyone's personal morality should trump anyone else's.
So why should any person be restrained from committing murder, rape, or theft if their "personal morality" says it is alright for them?
*Note that this is the third time I've asked you this.

Vegetarians and vegans do a lot more than just "not participate". They actively work to shut down the factory farming industry.
Same with those of us who think elective abortion is the unnecessary killing of human beings.
Your solution is to "just not participate".
Passive and ineffectual:
If anti-slavery persons had merely refrained from owning slaves, we would still have slavery today.

But a six months' fetus is also "still under the domain of the woman's body" so why do you oppose abortion at that point
???
Better check with the "liberal talking points" to see what you're supposed to say to that quandary.

Also hev, I notice that - although you've been corrected several times - you continue to refer to embryos and feti as "zygotes".
Zygotes are what you call the embryo for ONLY the first two weeks.
No one procures an abortion for a zygote...
The obvious reason you stay with the term zygote is that it sounds the least human.
Thus,
you join the ranks of every oppressor in the history of civilization, in using the same strategy: attempt to dehumanize the victim through the use of selected terminology.
Who is it you think you're swaying with such a transparent tactic?

Murder, rape and theft infringes on someone else. That is not personal morality. Personal morality requires the freewill of everyone involved.


Slavery means you own another person that is not inside of your body and has nothing to do with abortion.

Sure there are extremists amongst vegetarians and vegans. Most choose to not participate by what they do and do not purchase.

If you don't agree with abortion, fine that is your personal decision. But that is not a legitimate claim to a zygote being considered a child and abortion being considered murder.

I think it is a fair compromise considering the stages of development. A mother should know within about 3-4 months and the embryo is only the size of a quarter.

But extinguishing someone's life does not?

Then I'm afraid you've just hooked yourself: there is one party involved in each abortion who is given no option to express their will at all.

What it has to do with abortion is this: one human being being allowed to make critical (and/or fatal) decisions about a matter of life, liberty or happiness for another.

I'm not sure where you've been hev, but I suggest you look in on PETA, IDA, PCRM, Farm Sanctuary...stop me anytime.
"Most" do not limit their activities to what you claim.

Hev you seem to depend routinely on strawman.
1. I did not use the term "murder", EVER; I used the term "killing" which apparently you can't deal with, so you set up the strawman "murder".
And even with that your argument fails.
2. For the fifth time, no one procures an abortion on a "zygote". Abortions are ONLY done on embryos or feti.
The fact that you MUST keep using an incorrect term exposes the disingenuousness of your argument.

Oh, so size is the criterion now, instead of location as you stated earlier?
I guess that means that short people have a bit less right to life than tall people in your view?

I don't consider an embryo a person. Does an embyro have a social security number?

Can they sue the mother?? Of course not. They are at the will of the host.

Murder comes from an external source. A mother is making an internal decision to discontinue support for the embryo. It is their right to decide over their own bodies and health.


Simply put I just don't consider this a person or child. And I don't think it wrong to discontinue life support for it:

[quote=hevusa]I don't consider an embryo a person. Does an embyro have a social security number? [quote=hevusa]

Unreal.
First of all, I did not say "person". I am too well acquainted with the strategy of people like yourself in saying "an embryo is not a person"...
Just like some people used to say,
"An Indian is not a person"
or
"A Negro is not a person".
You must be very proud of the company you are keeping here hev.
What I said was
"a human being".
Can you deal with that or not?
And btw,
the dictionary definition of "person" just happens to be "a human being".

Second,
I know two "sovereign citizens" who refuse to have social security numbers. I suppose you think I should be able to kill them with impunity, if an ss# is the criterion of a human being.

Ludicrous; as though any current civil capability is the litmus test for whether one is a human being or not.

So we are back to the parrot phrases of the pro abortion lobby again, eh hev?
Your strawman is looking very tattered: I mean the straw man you set up over and over again when you pretend that I ever said abortion is murder.
I said it is killing.
Are you going to deal with what I actually said, anytime soon?

A decision for elective abortion is NOT an internal decision of a woman about her own body.
What gets killed is another person's body.

To be continued late tonight...