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Affirmative Action & Race Issues Do you feel that affirmative action should be expired, or do you feel that it should still be enforced? Defend your views on affirmative action in this forum.

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Old 08-01-2006, 09:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I wonder how I didn't hear about the church burning down. THat is big news down here. I still think Nebraska is one of the least racist states you can find. When I went down to Arkansas, it was a different story. I was going to gag if I saw one more Confederate flag...
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Old 08-02-2006, 09:23 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I wonder how I didn't hear about the church burning down. THat is big news down here. I still think Nebraska is one of the least racist states you can find. When I went down to Arkansas, it was a different story. I was going to gag if I saw one more Confederate flag...
That simply can't be!

It's a Republican state!
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Old 08-02-2006, 09:38 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If the last time you were in Omaha was in 1986, you would be absolutely astounded by what the downtown area is like now. You wouldn't even think it wasa the same city.

Glad to hear that. Downtown in the 70s and early 80s was pretty depressed. I do remember living on the south side and the smell of those stockyards on hot summer nights. Peeeuuuuuu. Good steaks in Omaha though.
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Old 08-03-2006, 10:06 AM   #14 (permalink)
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But the point - that I believe Jaxion completely missed - is that there is a LOT of "we don't care about race" integration going on that has NOTHING to do with the government, or the political pot-stirrers. And it's good to see.
I think I understand the point, but I disagree with it. If the people at that lunch all went home and thought to themselves, "It's good to see white people helping black people without holding their race against them", then they do care about race, right? They did care that it was white people helping black people.

Now that isn't racist (quite the opposite), and it certainly was the right thing to do, but it isn't evidence that we don't need affirmative action.
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I think I understand the point, but I disagree with it. If the people at that lunch all went home and thought to themselves, "It's good to see white people helping black people without holding their race against them", then they do care about race, right? They did care that it was white people helping black people.

Now that isn't racist (quite the opposite), and it certainly was the right thing to do, but it isn't evidence that we don't need affirmative action.
Why do you insist on reading racism into everything?

YOU and the mindset of people like you, are not the solution to the problem. You ARE the PROBLEM. Nothing can ever just be what it is.



The POINT is NOT that a "white church is helping a black church". Why do you think that's such a huge deal?

The POINT is that whites and blacks were together, having a great time, and nobody paid any attention to who was white and who was black.

The other point is that this is something that would NEVER happen if Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or other rabble-rousers were around. They don't want there to be cooperation and inter-racial mingling, where people don't pay any attention to race.

Get it?
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Old 08-03-2006, 12:43 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Why do you insist on reading racism into everything?

YOU and the mindset of people like you, are not the solution to the problem. You ARE the PROBLEM. Nothing can ever just be what it is.



The POINT is NOT that a "white church is helping a black church". Why do you think that's such a huge deal?

The POINT is that whites and blacks were together, having a great time, and nobody paid any attention to who was white and who was black.

The other point is that this is something that would NEVER happen if Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or other rabble-rousers were around. They don't want there to be cooperation and inter-racial mingling, where people don't pay any attention to race.

Get it?

Or maybe if our country wasn't still racist the black church could have afforded the repairs to their church or never had the problem in the first place.
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Or maybe if our country wasn't still racist the black church could have afforded the repairs to their church or never had the problem in the first place.
Racism had nothing to do with the "problem". They had a fire and there was no arson. Faulty wiring. It happens every day to white, black, red, and brown people.
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Or maybe if our country wasn't still racist the black church could have afforded the repairs to their church or never had the problem in the first place.
Or maybe if you had any idea what you're talking about, you wouldn't be saying stupid things like that.

The "black church" was well insured. There's no problem there.

Are you trying to imply that only "black churches" burn down?


The problem is that nobody has yet been able to figure out how to just snap their fingers and make a whole building appear. So in the meantime...




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Or maybe if you had any idea what you're talking about, you wouldn't be saying stupid things like that.

The "black church" was well insured. There's no problem there.

Are you trying to imply that only "black churches" burn down?


The problem is that nobody has yet been able to figure out how to just snap their fingers and make a whole building appear. So in the meantime...




You can crawl back into your hole now.
You mean the hole where a black church being burnt down is the way to combat affirmative action? Sure whatever man.
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Why do you insist on reading racism into everything?
I saw no racism in your story. I thought you might get the impression that I was claiming racism, which is why I said specifically "Now that isn't racist (quite the opposite)".

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YOU and the mindset of people like you, are not the solution to the problem. You ARE the PROBLEM. Nothing can ever just be what it is.
No, I understand that this church story is what it is: one group of people helping another. But it's not a reason to get rid of affirmative action. That is you trying to make it into something it's not.

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The POINT is NOT that a "white church is helping a black church". Why do you think that's such a huge deal?
It's not a huge deal. But understanding how people view the event will help you understand why this isn't a reason to get rid of affirmative action.

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The POINT is that whites and blacks were together, having a great time, and nobody paid any attention to who was white and who was black.
I'm sure that's true, but I'm trying to show that this doesn't mean that people are no longer being judged on race.

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The other point is that this is something that would NEVER happen if Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or other rabble-rousers were around. They don't want there to be cooperation and inter-racial mingling, where people don't pay any attention to race.
I agree.
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