tristanrobin

which is exactly what the post you quoted stated.

"that's the problem with conservatives" - they will never admit they're wrong.

__________________
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

borden123

Funny, that's also the problem with Liberals.

tristanrobin

you're not real quick on the uptake, are you?

I was being facetious.

__________________
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

pensacola_niceman

Work the other side of the street pal. That's my job!

leighredf

Tristan has never taken the position that liberals are always right. I've seen him criticize liberal views.

I assume you are a young man from what you have said in your posts. You may be more worldly than others your age, but trust me, as you get older you will learn some things.

I am a strong advocate of small government (an overall smaller government size, with corresponding reductions in taxes, would make any inequity in taxes far more palatable). But, I live in an area where there are a lot of people who are poor. In most cases, these are hard working people who are struggling to get by.

So, when someone who earns $1,000,000 per year has to pay a higher percentage rate of federal income tax, I'm sympathetic, but not as much as I am for people who work hard and are struggling to make it.

The other day, WT posted the property taxes in NJ and Gary talked about a reduction in local/state taxes negating the need for a federal income tax reduction. I learned something, because I had been ignoring local and state taxes that really can be more of a financial drain.

I do think tax cuts stimulate the economy, but not as much as a general reduction in bureaucracy and regulation would do. Cut down the hoops and paperwork for a construction project and you'd see a jump in the construction sector of our economy.

fxashun

I think we are bumping against a barrier right now. We don;t have room for tax cuts any more. The governments, from the city to the federal are all broke too. The interest rates are almost 0 and the people are losing jobs. Fewer people are paying taxes, wages are decreasing, and yet costs for everyone are going up. Something is gonna have to give.

Tax cuts can't stimulate the economy enough to make up for the loss of millions of jobs. And cutting taxes, when the tax base is already shrinking is like sticking a knife in your brain.

__________________
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha

garysher

What exactly do you mean by a "tyrranical government"? Does it include a government that steals land and commits genocide in the name of freedom?

Again, you try to argue that the Founding Fathers "did their best" to abolish slavery, even though they carried on owning slaves and refused to free them!

Why does it matter if many people still supported slavery? What was stopping those Founding Fathers from freeing their own slaves?

Absolutely nothing.

Yes I know America was no longer a colony in 1833.

The point is that the former colony that broke away to strive for greater individual freedom and liberty, and to reject "tyranny" and those awful British social norms, took 30 years longer to abolish slavery than the colonies that remained under British control!

__________________

leighredf

There certainly is merit to the argument, especially since we have spent too much in the past and now have to pay for those debts.

However, on the local and state level, I think there are jobs and money that can be given up. Cities and states are broke because they spent like wild when the economy was booming (they spend every nickel they get) and were ill prepared for the economic downturns that always happen. And, there are plenty of ways to cut money at the local and state level. Easy ways.

leighredf

Other than for historical context, is slavery really that relevant to anything 170 years after the fact?

garysher

It's relevant when borden is telling us that:

"A change needs to be made, but let's do so by utilizing what our founding fathers implemented in this country."

He tends to have a romanticised, fairy-tale view of the past

__________________