knot_e_lady

Nope, and I'm gonna guess that neither have you, EVER.

So get off your high horse and stop being a victim for something that happened over a hundred and forty years go.

Get over it already. You don't see Jewish people going around acting like victims all the time, and if any race has been victimized in history, it's them.

knot_e_lady

Ever think it isn't the color of your skin that people react to but your attitude?

nuttyjoe

I've been hoping that the tone of the posts on this thread had cooled somewhat, but apparently not.at the risk of being given the Village Idiot label, I will respond to these posts later tonight. My computer seems to be acting up again. PP, I am sure Ali was referring to me. I hope so, because I find myself in disagreement with a few things you have posted and the manner in which they were stated.

AlicornsPrayer

Hon, you weren't the only person who contacted me about the situation. I just felt that it wasn't my place to name names, because those that contacted me probally didn't want their names known. And as I told you and the others that contacted me...You had nothing to apologize for in the first place. I'm honored that those that contacted me felt they should and were concerned about my own feelings, but ya'll did nothing wrong to me or any other poster in the first place. Just because some here may be black, PP's actions do not speak for all black people or speak for yourselves.

The problem isn't being white, black, green, or polka dotted...The problem is the few who still only look at the surface of a person or the race/religion they are, rather then looking towards the individual's actual actions. Those that keep focusing on the differences and attempting to make their 'plight' worse/better then another's who's being similarly mistreated. Based off of 'my race has it worse' mentality. Or a misplaced 'us against them' mentality and approach to social issues.

I for one am grateful for yourself and the others that contacted me, as well as those I've come close to from a different racial background to myself. Those that value ME, the person. Not the race, religion, orientation, or gender that I was born into. Just as I hope that ya'll who are my friends, realize that I value you, the individuals. Not what the surface of your backgrounds may/may not be.

Below the skin, everybody is the same period. And anytime any of our citizens are hurt, we're all hurt as a society. Irregardless of who's directing/receiving racial or discriminatory acts. As a society, we need to stop pointing fingers at others and instead start taking responsibility for our own actions that keep us from having this/that we desire in life.

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nuttyjoe

Okay, lets see if the computer is working good now. PP, I am very disgusted with some of your recent posts. Not only disgusted, but embarassed. You want to address racism- fine. Then you make a statement like: "It wouldn't be worth killing all you Whites because it would take too long". You wonder why there is racism? You think this could possibly solve the problem? That statement was not only embarassing to Blacks that don't see the need to even think like that; it was fucking stupid!. I apologize to everyone for my language there- I was raised better than that- but there is no other way to label that statement.
You want to address social problems? Why are so many of our young Black women in the position of having to raise 3 or 4 children; all with different fathers? How many of these women will be (or already are) on welfare rolls? What white person or persons forced these women to get themselves pregnant or their parents to not explain the facts of life beforehand? Where are the fathers? Many are not even involved, I'll bet.Why is that?
How about our young Black men? Why is it that the main priority in life these days seems to be a damned pair of gym shoes- which by the way, cost $200 to $300 dollars, when they don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of? Somebody, I really don't care who, is going to have to explain that set of priotities to me.
Bill Cosby a "shoeshine boy"? Why? Because he thinks that we are at the point of society where Blacks are now showing what we can have if we just apply ourselves? How about Barack Obama, who has a legitimate chance of becoming our next President? Tiger Woods, who has made golf practically his very own sport to the point where he is considered by many (Black or White )to be the best to ever to walk on a course?Oprah Winfrey, who was recently estimated to have a net worth in the billions? Condoleeza Rice, our current Secretary of State? Colin Powell? Michael Jordan?
Could the accomplishments of these individuals have even been possible in the 50's or 60's? Can this now be possible because American society has advanced somewhat in this area, and that Blacks-at least some of us- have seen this change and advanced ourselves with it, and some Blacks cannot yet accept the change? Think about that for awhile.
By the way, Ali and I have been sharing recipes for awhile now. When I first contacted her, I really didn't give a shit what color she is. I still don't. We happen to share a love for cooking and trying new dishes- what is so wrong with that?
I disagree with Knot. I think it's your approach (as well as your attitude) to solving a problem that you really need to address- along with your grammar.It needs some serious attention.All in all, if you even think getting along with each other(peaceful co-existence; as I refer to it) can be possible) you really need to expunge the blaming from your mind and start working on the actual problems you say you want to.
Now, you are correct in that there are some people who think "terrorist" and"Muslim" are one in the same.That is wrong in every sense of the word. There used to be one such person on this forum who was banned awhile back for continually expressing this vile rhetoric. I have to tell you that I have not seen anything close to that Muslim bashing since.

PoliticalWardog

Ohhhhhh I am shaking in my boots, and that's about all you can do.

PoliticalWardog

Joe, The area of your quote above is in the classification
of Social problems, and do not have anything to do with
this thread's topic. However I am going to reply and answer
your statements that need to be talked about.

Our young Black women who is having 3 & 4 babies at a young
age, (I call it babies making babies), and that's because of
bad teaching in the home. That also goes for the young boys
who only can think with their middle leg. These young guys
do not know the responsibilities of being a father. I have to
agree that at that point NO white person is involved, and if
there was they should be worring about their own kids.

As far as our young Black men, their priority in life comes
from having a hardtime in the home. There is single Mothers
(White & Black) whom seem to think that its okay for their
Sons & Daughters to sell drugs, due to the fact that selling
drugs is quick money. Also that provides a way for the lazy
Mother to get a free high if she uses drugs).

This situation is a family matter more then it is a racist
situation. It should not taken Bill Cosby to express his
opinions on its time for our Black race to rise, but the
original home & family valves should have never left
our Black family cultural, and I am doing some research
on What has Bill did to help Black Families? Now to me
Senator Barack Obama is a example just how powerful
and wise we can be (The Black Race) if we can come
together. (Oh by the way Obama is Muslim). No comments
concerning Oprah. At Least she's spending money on Blacks,
but that's in Africa...what about here in the states?

Tiger Woods, and Condoleeza Rice, I have no comments
about them, due to the fact I do not watch neither one
of them. I use to admire Colin until he became Bush's boy,
and now that he's away from Bush he is talking I like that.

Joe, After all I am entitle to my opinions, and I am patting
myself on the back for replying to you.

KnightOfSappho

I haven't really read this thread in a while and my eyes damn near popped out of my head when I did.



PP- Knot and Alicorn are NOT racists. I've interacted with both of them for a number of years now and I believe that I have a general sense of each of their general thought processes. They are BOTH good people.



Knot and Alicorn- Regardless of how you feel about PP, recognize that the insidious racism that many black people face on a daily basis can give rise to this type of response ESPECIALLY if someone thinks that their concerns are not being taken seriously. Not normally to this degree, but it happens nonetheless.

I thought the Egypt joke was funny, but it would seem that PP took it as a 'blow-off.' It sounds like it was a simple misunderstanding that went a direction that was entirely unnecessary.



This whole situation appears to have just spun out of control and really needs to be put back in perspective. So allow me:

The Egypt joke WAS funny.

Cosby's beliefs are shared by some of the black community just as Farakkhan's and Sharpton's beliefs are.

Hostility does not promote healthy conversation about social problems. It only makes both sides defensive and shuts down any possibility of real communication.


And I will conclude with that for now...

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knot_e_lady

Really, though, KoS, isn't the best way to fight racism in whites is to prove that their conceptions are not true?

KnightOfSappho

Not necessarily. Fighting an emotional response with facts isn't always as effective as one would assume that it should be.

Truly, individual familiarity with people of different groups is the best tool for fighting racism.

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