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Gun Control Debate and defend whether or not you believe that the second amendment protects individual rights to bear arms.

View Poll Results: Support gun control?
Yes 11 42.31%
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Old 03-17-2005, 08:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 03-17-2005, 09:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon.Yes I am a responsible gun owner.My weapons are kept under lock and key.the people that are trying to take away my right to own a gun are using scare tactics by using scare tactics in citing "rising gun violence" numbers on the general public.
the old saying"Guns don't kill people,people kill people".rings true to me.A gun is a tool,nothing more,nothing less.In the right hands it is a providor of food or a defender of life.In the wrong hands it is a tool of evil,taking life or property by force.Don't blame the tool,blame the user if is used in an illegal manner.
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Re: Support gun control?
I think this is an easy one.

Inner cities are stricken with violence and danger caused by the incredible amount of guns in this nation. Mostly handguns that are easy to conceal.

Country folk are used to the tradition of owning guns for hunting.

An easy compromise would be to make possessing handguns illegal to reduce city violence and have strict controls of hunting riffles.

The outdated gun laws were created in a time when our nation needed protection via militia. The redcoats aren't coming anymore. Lets reduce the distruction and death the handgun causes every day in our inner cities.
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How many legal owners of guns are involved in violence?Compared to people who heve obtained guns illegally?You want my right to own a gun thrown out because some gangbanger decides to go out and kill another gangbanger with a cheap gun.Thats treating a symptom and not the disease.There is no gun in the world that will load itself,walk out the door and shoot someone by itself.
Next you will say to outlaw baseball bats because some people kill others with baseball bats.
The problem isn't "gun violence".It is violence in general.
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How many legal owners of guns are involved in violence?Compared to people who heve obtained guns illegally?You want my right to own a gun thrown out because some gangbanger decides to go out and kill another gangbanger with a cheap gun.Thats treating a symptom and not the disease.There is no gun in the world that will load itself,walk out the door and shoot someone by itself.
Next you will say to outlaw baseball bats because some people kill others with baseball bats.
The problem isn't "gun violence".It is violence in general.
Agreed, outlawing guns is not the answer, the outlaws will always be able to get them.
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How many legal owners of guns are involved in violence?Compared to people who heve obtained guns illegally?You want my right to own a gun thrown out because some gangbanger decides to go out and kill another gangbanger with a cheap gun.Thats treating a symptom and not the disease.There is no gun in the world that will load itself,walk out the door and shoot someone by itself.
Next you will say to outlaw baseball bats because some people kill others with baseball bats.
The problem isn't "gun violence".It is violence in general.

Well I'd love to hear how to "treat the disease" not the symptom. Countries that have elminated or have strict controls on the right to own guns have lower rates of death by gunfire. Not so strange huh?

You do realize that our constitution doesn't give you the right to own a gun right? That was for our militia to fight the British.






Whenever the U.S. murder rate is compared with that of other countries, as it often is, the figures reveal a far greater frequency of gun-related deaths in the U.S. than elsewhere. In 1996, for instance, 30 people were killed with handguns in Great Britain, 106 in Canada and 211 in Germany. In the U.S., 9,390 died this way. In Japan,15.

The U.S. stands alone among the world's nations in the degree to which it grants citizens access to guns. It also has the world's highest rate of violent crime. "On the gun issue, foreigners just do not get it. They just cannot understand how America let things come to this," a Los Angeles Times editorial calling for gun control begins. "They hear the news of cold-blooded murders of German and British tourists in Florida...and they just cannot believe it."

Americans attitudes toward gun control baffle citizens of other nations. In Canada, where residents "feel a special kinship with the United States and find much to admire in their southern neighbor, most are appalled...by America's refusal to seriously restrict possession of handguns," a Boston Globe story noted in 1994.

It's tough to get a handgun license in Canada. They're issued only to members of police-approved target shooting clubs, collectors and some security guards. The result: Canadians own one million handguns and five million rifles and shotguns. By comparison, Americans own an estimated 192 million firearms, including more than 65 million handguns according to an estimate by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in 1994.

In Japan, gun owners must pass a rigorous screening process to own a gun. Handguns are primarily restricted to police. Hunters are permitted to possess a rifle or shotgun only after navigating a complicated licensing procedure. These restrictions mean that Japan averages less than 30 gun murders a year, compared with nearly 11,000 in the U.S.

In Great Britain, an already strict set of laws was further tightened in June of 1997 following the 1996 massacre of 16 children and their teacher at a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland. The British government responded to the slaughter by banning all handguns in civillian possession.

Many of the victims of American gun violence have been children as well. A recent study by the Centers for Disease Control shows that American children are nearly 12 times more likely to die from a gun injury than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. They are 11 times more likely to use a gun to commit suicide and nine times more likely to die from an unintentional shooting.


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Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Sounds pretty clear to me.To me it says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms will not be taken away because the people may need to form a militia to protect themselves or their country.
If you take away the guns from law abiding people,then the only ones who will have guns are the police or the criminals.Do you think they have any regard for gun laws?Enforce the laws already on the books.Put the criminals away for a long time.Don't take away the guns from the responsible people.
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Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Sounds pretty clear to me.To me it says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms will not be taken away because the people may need to form a militia to protect themselves or their country.
If you take away the guns from law abiding people,then the only ones who will have guns are the police or the criminals.Do you think they have any regard for gun laws?Enforce the laws already on the books.Put the criminals away for a long time.Don't take away the guns from the responsible people.

Seems clear to me too. It offers protection via milita in a time when we were fighting the British. Does not ring true in this modern era. A militia today would not do much of anything if attacked by a modern military. Outdated law that makes no sense today. Should be amended.
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Old world sense of right and wrong,Yes.Outdated,No.
Taking away my right to own firearms makes me less safe in todays society.It makes me a target for criminals who,even if you outlaw guns,will still have them.They don't care about laws,thats why they are called criminals.They commit crimes.If someone is coming at me with a gun,I want the ability to defend myself. If someone is trying to hurt my family,I will defend them to the last breath using whatever means I can.If this means shooting them I will.I will even fight to my last breath to let you have the right to speak your thoughts,even if I do not agree with what you say.
Freedom isn't free,it comes with a high price and I have been on the line to defend that freedom.I will be there to defend those freedoms again if called upon,but I WILL NOT GO UNARMED.
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I think it should be illegal for anyone to have a weapon. Crime rates would decrease dramatically. You can't argue that it just makes sense.
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