could the universe began with complete zero!

cohen avshalom · 05-24-2007, 04:21 PM

could the universe began with complete zero-no mass/energy?
second question of me:could area change state,like any other material? from solid(state)->liquid(state) ->gas(state).i mean the area himself the shield-even with full vacuum.
i was writting 3 pages that call icarus5.
you can see them in" www.icarus5.com "
i hope you will note me back-write in easy way to understand-for everyone.i wait for your opinion.

thank you from:
cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
www.icarus5.com

teethandclaws · 05-24-2007, 09:27 PM

I don't believe in creation by a god. I believe that our "universe" is part of a continuum that goes on forever, that only energy is eternal, actions and reactions.

I don't know if the following article really sums it up, but I think it's close.
Before the Big Bang | Physics & Math | DISCOVER Magazine
What made the Big Bang go bang?
Maverick cosmologists contend that what we think of as the moment of creation was simply part of an infinite cycle of titanic collisions between our universe and a parallel world.

Antithesis · 05-25-2007, 07:17 AM

I have no idea how everything came to be. It's too immense for me to even fathom, but I agree. The universe, in all likelihood, is endless, with only energy being constant. I believe Stephen Hawking proposed that it might be seen as a single sided, three dimensional surface with no beginning or end, much like a sphere.

It's a better explanation than a great, complex entity that always existed yet had no creator itself. It's best to start simple.

cohen avshalom · 05-26-2007, 04:37 PM

they speak a bout the big bang and string theory-i speak a bout the icarus5-and this is anther point of view!
but thank you for the link!

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
Icarus 5, Unlimited energy being produced at the outter edge of expanding space

teethandclaws · 05-27-2007, 07:57 PM

In the end, I think it is one of those things that will be a debate forever, as no one can go back to the beginning of this 'universe' or beyond it.

Fluffmeister · 05-27-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cohen avshalom

they speak a bout the big bang and string theory-i speak a bout the icarus5-and this is anther point of view!
but thank you for the link!

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
Icarus 5, Unlimited energy being produced at the outter edge of expanding space

How do you derive your formula tr= (em^2)/v?

And is v the velocity of the expansion (in which case, relative to what?) or the volume of the universe?

cohen avshalom · 05-28-2007, 07:58 AM

i was removing most of the formula-this formula was staying from the past-
the reason i was try to made it more easy for understanding for all-as much as possible easy for understanding.i try to get for understanding (what i am saying by logic.and with short description as possible)-and get to the consensus -->less to convince-the world of science.
of course this is the opposite way to doing new suggestion for presentation.
but this is me.....

cohen avshalom charly
isreal/haifa
Icarus 5, Unlimited energy being produced at the outter edge of expanding space

Hio · 05-28-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by teethandclaws

In the end, I think it is one of those things that will be a debate forever, as no one can go back to the beginning of this 'universe' or beyond it.

Agreed

musica · 05-28-2007, 09:53 PM

There Was No Energey At First There Was Only Intelegence And Intelegence Created Thought Processing Without Being ,then The Big Bang It Was Intelegence And The All Of Color Only Energy Traveled Through Intelegent Space An Oily Transparent In Appearence Film With Intelegence Info Etc And Our Souls The 65 R True First Family O God's Itself

Katczinsky · 05-30-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by musica

There Was No Energey At First There Was Only Intelegence And Intelegence Created Thought Processing Without Being ,then The Big Bang It Was Intelegence And The All Of Color Only Energy Traveled Through Intelegent Space An Oily Transparent In Appearence Film With Intelegence Info Etc And Our Souls The 65 R True First Family O God's Itself

Huh? English?

I find the creationist argument humouring when they attempt to use it to 'counter' atheism's alleged "ideology of nothingness." I'm sure you've all heard it before: "How can something come from nothing? There must have been a creator." But the very same logic can be used to negate creation: where did god come from? He (undoubtedly something) can't come from nothing. So what's their answer? God just always was. So if God transcends time, and just always was...then why create the universe (a finite existence)? It would be infinitely short to him, because the span of his existence is infinitely long. Likewise, such an argument still fails to establish purpose (as is allegedly religion's purpose).

Therefore, it seems to me that it is much more plausible that the universe (or multiverse) just "always was". If it just always was, that would leave out the need for a creator.