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Old 06-05-2007, 12:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation Mass Holocaust grave found in Ukraine
I am posting this story for all of those who still deny that the holocaust ever happened.

KIEV, Ukraine - A mass grave holding the remains of thousands of Jews killed by the Nazis has been found in southern Ukraine near the site of what was once a concentration camp, a Jewish community representative said Tuesday.

Mass Holocaust grave found in Ukraine - Yahoo! News





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Old 06-05-2007, 12:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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How anyone can deny the Holocaust is beyond me.
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How anyone can deny the Holocaust is beyond me.
Beyond me also... but there are those out in our world that do.





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I believe that in the European Union they are trying to make Holocaust denial a crime.

Thoughtcrime, anyone?
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I believe that in the European Union they are trying to make Holocaust denial a crime.

Thoughtcrime, anyone?
Do you really want what you think to be the subject of a crime? I think not, and I don't care to be arrested for it.
Old 06-05-2007, 01:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Do you really want what you think to be the subject of a crime? I think not, and I don't care to be arrested for it.
I completely agree.
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I completely agree.
Good. From your earlier post I would have thought you were advocating it.
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I believe that in the European Union they are trying to make Holocaust denial a crime.
Thoughtcrime, anyone?
Quite frankly, I can't help but wonder if you could work in something similar under existing U.S. laws.
If the "denial" incorporates slander or liberal, it could easily be seen as legally actionable.
And let's face it. Some of the "stories" you hear about denial often talk about how the "Jew" created this lie.

Obviously there are some grey areas. If no mention of who was supposedly responsible for the claimed "fraud", there is no target for the slander/libel.
Also, I suspect it is easier to perpetuate such libel / slander if you avoid naming names but instead blame the general group, although I can't help but think such a cop-out should not be allowed.
It's hardly any less slanderous (IMO) if you are "vague" about it...
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Quite frankly, I can't help but wonder if you could work in something similar under existing U.S. laws.
If the "denial" incorporates slander or liberal, it could easily be seen as legally actionable.
And let's face it. Some of the "stories" you hear about denial often talk about how the "Jew" created this lie.

Obviously there are some grey areas. If no mention of who was supposedly responsible for the claimed "fraud", there is no target for the slander/libel.
Also, I suspect it is easier to perpetuate such libel / slander if you avoid naming names but instead blame the general group, although I can't help but think such a cop-out should not be allowed.
It's hardly any less slanderous (IMO) if you are "vague" about it...
What you "think" can not ever be considered slander - no matter how vile and twisted it might be.
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Quite frankly, I can't help but wonder if you could work in something similar under existing U.S. laws.
If the "denial" incorporates slander or liberal, it could easily be seen as legally actionable.
And let's face it. Some of the "stories" you hear about denial often talk about how the "Jew" created this lie.

Obviously there are some grey areas. If no mention of who was supposedly responsible for the claimed "fraud", there is no target for the slander/libel.
Also, I suspect it is easier to perpetuate such libel / slander if you avoid naming names but instead blame the general group, although I can't help but think such a cop-out should not be allowed.
It's hardly any less slanderous (IMO) if you are "vague" about it...
I wonder if you can be charged with slander if it's a historical event, especially since there isn't anyone in this circumstance to "blame." We have to define both slander and libel.

slan·der
n.
Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

li·bel
n.
A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
The act of presenting such material to the public
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