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It's kind of funny.

I hate the Libertarians because they are against the War on Terror. . .

I hate the Democrats because they are against lower taxes. . .

NOW, I hate the Republicans because they veto bills like this that could possibly save millions of lives. . .

Maybe I should start my own party. . . say, the hate everyone party! lol

By the way, are there any takers on this latest Bush veto? Any comments are greatly appreciated.

It is another STUPID, grand-standing act by a stupid, grand-standing president, which will - once again - cause many American deaths that possibly needn't happen.

He's far more interested in destroying the middle class of America than saving their lives.

I agree with you, tristan. It was certainly a very stupid move on his part. His timing on matters like this is, let's just say, less than impeccable. . .

But you got to look at the other side of the arguement. Me myself I choose undecided because yes I do agree that this will help and prevent deathes in the future from the type of illness. But you basicly have to cause death to prevent death. I say that because you need to terminate a fetus to gain the stem cells. So to me it goes 50/50.

Ooo Oooo Ooo ima take a page out of Gary's book here!
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"Typical response from the type of person you are"
Nah im just messing with ya hev.

I still stick to my views thats all. Im not agreeing with what Bush does nor am I disagreeing. Guess thats why im Indi :P

Unwanted embryos are dead anyway. Why let their deaths be in vain? Let them have a purpose to help others. Plus, don't think that the US is the only player in this area of research. Other countries will make advances in this area leaving the US far behind.

DBear - this bill is not about using existing stem cell lines - it's about CREATING them, which does require the creation with the intent to kill it.

Um. Speaking of 50/50.

"In humans, the fetal stage is the from the end of the third month until birth"
define:fetus - Google Search

There is a LOT of stem cell research that can be done before the embryo reaches "fetus" stage.
In fact, the bill in question actually deals with EMBRYONIC stem cells.

CNN.com - Bush vetoes embryonic stem-cell bill - Sep 4, 2006
"The measure, which the House of Representatives passed in May 2005, allows couples who have had embryos frozen for fertility treatments to donate them to researchers rather than let them be destroyed. "

So let's be perfectly clear. These embryoes would have "died" anyways.
And unlike abortion, I have seen NO attempt to legally restrict fertility clinics which do have to regularly dispose of extra frozen embryos which are no longer wanted or desired.
We're talking about EMBRYOS here.

And if your definition of life starts at "conception", then so be it. I don't agree.
But the truth is that while some Americans have problems with fetuses being used in stem cell research, a majority of Americans WANT embryonic stem cell research.

I felt it important to draw the distinction because of your phrasing.

The measure, which the House of Representatives passed in May 2005, allows couples who have had embryos frozen for fertility treatments to donate them to researchers rather than let them be destroyed.
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In August 2001, Bush announced that his administration would allow federal funding only for research on about 60 stem-cell lines that existed at the time. Researchers have since found that many of those lines are contaminated and unusable for research.

CNN.com - Bush vetoes embryonic stem-cell bill - Sep 4, 2006


Also, let's be perfectly clear on what the phrase "stem cell lines" means in the first place.

5. What is a stem cell line?
A stem cell line is composed of a population of cells that can replicate themselves for long periods of time in vitro, meaning out of the body. These cell lines are grown in incubators with specialized growth factor-containing media, at a temperature and oxygen/carbon dioxide mixture resembling that found in the mammalian body.

Embryonic stem cell lines, both human and mouse, can be grown indefinitely in vitro if the correct conditions are met. Importantly, these cells continue to retain their ability to form different, specialized cell types once they are removed from the special conditions that keep them in an undifferentiated, or unspecialized, state.

A limited number of human embryonic stem cell lines have been approved for use by scientists receiving federal funds in the United States. In August 2001, President Bush mandated that if scientists were using federal funds, research could only be conducted on the cell lines that were already in existence, grown from fertilized eggs that were to be discarded at in vitro fertilization clinics.

This regulation stated that no additional human stem cell lines could be generated from additional blastocysts. In the long term, this will place severe restrictions on the scientific process in this field and will limit the ability of scientists to compare the potential of human embryonic stem cell lines for tissue repair, to that which can be accomplished from other sources, such as adult stem cells.

ISSCR :: Stem Cell Science : Frequently Asked Questions

We are talking about "stem cell lines" / stem cell samples that originate from the source DBear talked about.

Bush is effectively saying "Well, you've got X amount of toys that you have been playing with, and we're only going to fund you for that X amount of toys. If they break (contaminated), then that's tough..."