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Old 06-27-2007, 11:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Odd Isn't it. If you keep pushing long enough you can make people believe anything. I think a guy named Hitler said if you tell a lie big enough and long enough; people will believe it. Nope, I don't believe it the premise for this at all. Gay and Lesbians do change.

There are groups that are totally ignored Christians who led the gay life style and had their lives changed by Christ. They do not live as gays or lesbians anymore. Sure some people can fall off the wagon, But many others don't. You do not here about them, they are marginalized or denied completely.

Besides, where is the example of the Gay men that live married to women have families and keep the gaylife on the side quietly? There are hundreds of gay men who only want to party with other gay married men. Because each has something to lose by being outed. That's not genes, that is Choice.
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Odd Isn't it. If you keep pushing long enough you can make people believe anything. I think a guy named Hitler said if you tell a lie big enough and long enough; people will believe it. Nope, I don't believe it the premise for this at all. Gay and Lesbians do change.

There are groups that are totally ignored Christians who led the gay life style and had their lives changed by Christ. They do not live as gays or lesbians anymore. Sure some people can fall off the wagon, But many others don't. You do not here about them, they are marginalized or denied completely.

Besides, where is the example of the Gay men that live married to women have families and keep the gaylife on the side quietly? There are hundreds of gay men who only want to party with other gay married men. Because each has something to lose by being outed. That's not genes, that is Choice.

So from your post I gather that you can change from hetrosexual to homosexual at will???

If not you are just blowing hot air.

Those Christian programs you mention, that try to convert folks, have a failure rate in the high ninties.
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Odd Isn't it. If you keep pushing long enough you can make people believe anything. I think a guy named Hitler said if you tell a lie big enough and long enough; people will believe it. Nope, I don't believe it the premise for this at all. Gay and Lesbians do change.

There are groups that are totally ignored Christians who led the gay life style and had their lives changed by Christ. They do not live as gays or lesbians anymore. Sure some people can fall off the wagon, But many others don't. You do not here about them, they are marginalized or denied completely.

Besides, where is the example of the Gay men that live married to women have families and keep the gaylife on the side quietly? There are hundreds of gay men who only want to party with other gay married men. Because each has something to lose by being outed. That's not genes, that is Choice.
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Odd Isn't it. If you keep pushing long enough you can make people believe anything...
Yeah, just like the idea that being gay is a choice.
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How much knowledge does it take to figure out that if a man is married to a woman and has kids. he is committed and has a boyfriend on the side, that IS his choice?

yep, people do change. That is at the Hallmark of being a Christian, a changed life. Maybe you could go find some of the links to the website for Gays and Lesbians who are now commited Christians whose lives have changed. They are trying very hard to make sure people know they exist. And the Gay community tries very hard to ignore them.
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How much knowledge does it take to figure out that if a man is married to a woman and has kids. he is committed and has a boyfriend on the side, that IS his choice?

yep, people do change. That is at the Hallmark of being a Christian, a changed life. Maybe you could go find some of the links to the website for Gays and Lesbians who are now commited Christians whose lives have changed. They are trying very hard to make sure people know they exist. And the Gay community tries very hard to ignore them.
Oh, like Ted Haggard?

I think the point is that you can choose to believe what you want, you just can't change your nature.
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How much knowledge does it take to figure out that if a man is married to a woman and has kids. he is committed and has a boyfriend on the side, that IS his choice?

yep, people do change. That is at the Hallmark of being a Christian, a changed life. Maybe you could go find some of the links to the website for Gays and Lesbians who are now commited Christians whose lives have changed. They are trying very hard to make sure people know they exist. And the Gay community tries very hard to ignore them.
You are confusing sexual actions with sexual attraction and bisexuality with homosexuality.

In the case you describe, the man would have to have felt a sexual attraction to the other man to want to initiate a sexual relationship. Or do you think he just woke up one morning and thought, "Today I am going to go out and cheat on my wife with a man. I don't find men attractive, but that's ok; I'm going to do it anyway"?

One can always choose one's sexual partner(s) but one does not choose whether or not to be sexually attracted to men or women or both.

Be honest, did you choose to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex? (Assuming that you are.)
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yep, people do change. That is at the Hallmark of being a Christian, a changed life.
So you are openly stating that if you were enrolled in a program that someone could change you from hetrosexual to homosexual???

I don't agree with that and I don't agree homosexuals can become hetrosexuals.
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