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View Poll Results: Stronger Education Plans?
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Old 01-06-2005, 12:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 02-02-2005, 03:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't believe No left child behind has done much to our education system. I would have to vote democrat for this. Clearly Kerry had a much stronger education plan than Bush.
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Can you explain Kerry's education plan to me?
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Old 02-03-2005, 01:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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keep your theories about god out of the classroom
What a lot Christian Americans forget about their belief system is that it is based on a theory. when you start presenting your theories as fact it is very dangerous for everyone. nearly 80% of Amercians believe the Virgin birth is literally true! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6650997/site/newsweek/)

Keep your God in your heart, mind, and church. Remember God is a theory and is not based on any objective reasoning.
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Can you explain Kerry's education plan to me?
Kerry's education plan:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/

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Old 02-16-2005, 10:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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lol... thanks i coulda done that
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I'm curious if any of you can show me where within the Constitution that education is the responsibility of the Federal gov't?

I would also be curious to know why I should be taxed to support a Dept of Education that has achieved nothing since its inception and also be taxed at a state level to support the same thing?

The idea that the federal gov't should be involved in the education of our children, and the fact that they are involved worries me more than to sit here and obfusctae the true issue by having a poll on which party can educate my child the best.

Last I checked, edcuation is not an enumerated topic within the Constitution and the Feds have no place/right to be involved.
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Old 05-15-2005, 08:45 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Do you go to private school? Because if you don't, you might be the dumbest person I've ever met.

Who would you expect to pay for everyone's education then? Or are you saying that education should not be free? Which means you think that a small (and smaller) part of the population should recieve educations....
Please explain to me why this is in any way a good thing. And remember, the Constitution is loosely interpreted by everyone...
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The question axiom posed was why do we support education spending at the federal level? For every dollar of federal taxes that go to education, only 38 cents make it to the classroom and teachers. Bureaucracy eats up 62 cents, the one thing that government is not is efficient.

I attended a college that had a education department, its purpose was to train the teachers of tomorrow. If you want to be a history teacher do you major in history, only if you want to be a professor. The education department teaches teachers how to teach, period. It seems that many of are teachers are no smarter than the high school students they are graduating.

The best way our federal government could help education is by getting out of it. The government should set minimal standards that all student should know, and then allow the states to implement the standards. By eliminating the DOE we could more than double our spending on education without having to raise taxes, cut other programs, only by eliminating the bureaucracy.

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The question axiom posed was why do we support education spending at the federal level? For every dollar of federal taxes that go to education, only 38 cents make it to the classroom and teachers. Bureaucracy eats up 62 cents, the one thing that government is not is efficient.

I attended a college that had a education department, its purpose was to train the teachers of tomorrow. If you want to be a history teacher do you major in history, only if you want to be a professor. The education department teaches teachers how to teach, period. It seems that many of are teachers are no smarter than the high school students they are graduating.

The best way our federal government could help education is by getting out of it. The government should set minimal standards that all student should know, and then allow the states to implement the standards. By eliminating the DOE we could more than double our spending on education without having to raise taxes, cut other programs, only by eliminating the bureaucracy.

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Whereas I am a big proponent of smaller government, and I do think they should generally stay out of our lives, I think we really need to sit down and think about the potential ramifications of eliminating the DOE.

I will admit, that I do not know a lot about the DOE or what it does, or how well it does it. I do know that I attended all inner city public schools, and that their condition was mostly abysmal at best. I never realized how bad they were until I saw suburban schools.

Now you claim that only 32% actually filters it's way into the schools, and you may be right. But isn't it better to have that 32% extra going to the schools, than not? You said that if we eliminated the DOE we COULD double what we spend on education. Sure, we could. But most likely we wouldn't. I think there is a HUGE, and valid fear in this country that any money that is freed up, will almost immediately be absorbed by the DOD. Sure, we could double spending on education, or we could give some general a set of shiny new missiles to aim at an invisible threat.

We need education and tolerance more than ever in this country. That is how we will beat terrorism, through education, not with weapons, not with soldiers and sailors dying, but through the opening of minds. The problem with terrorism is you can not fight it like a traditional enemy. Soldiers have no real, lasting long term effect on it. That is being demonstratined all over the middle east now, and has been demonstrated in Ireland for generations. As long as a people have a will to fight, they will. They will continue to throw off their shackles and resist their oppresors. Until we begin to educate our own people, and humble ourselves as a nation, we will meet resistance everywhere we go.

I think we should consider a reorganization of the DOE, a streamlining perhaps, before we make so drastic a move as to close it down all together.
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