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Old 07-16-2007, 11:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Polygamy?
I'm not trying to start a "slippery slope" arguement here.

"If we let gays have marriage, then what's to stop (fill in the blank)"

But, what about the issue of polygamy?

For starters, I think polygamist have been arguing for their "rights" longer than gays have anyway, so you can't really say granting legal recognition of plural marriage would have resulted from any sort of "slippery slope."
It's been around in our society pretty much since this country was founded, whereas gay marriage has become a topic of wide debate only in recent years.

Frankly, I'm sort of on the fence about it, but I lean toward thinking it should be legal.

After all, if three -- or more -- consenting adults want to have a marriage together, who are we to say a man can't have more than one wife... or a woman more than one husband?

Why do you think plural marriage is illegal in our society? Is there good reason for it being illegal -- or is it just more social stigma restricting the choices of consenting adults?
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Of course it's social stigma.

There are a couple of problems I can see with polygamy. I don't know how they can equally divide death benefits to multiple spousal survivors...especially in terms of S/S, pensions, etc. What would keep a man from marrying his babysitter when the wife is away for the weekend, only to return home and find she's married?

But, I don't care if more than one person wants to marry. As Ben said, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

...and, just for the record, gay people have been partnering as long as polygamous marriage has been around - LOL - probably far longer
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Tristan, I never said they weren't partnering. I said the issue of whether to recognize gay marriage is very recent, whereas polygamists have been openly requesting legal recognition since at least the founding of the Mormon religion.
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Old 07-16-2007, 02:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If science, you know, the professionals, can get this to work
Scientists seek to create 'three-parent' babies - 19 October 2004 - New Scientist

Why not. We all know how our "professionals" follow ethics and all.
BBC News | EUROPE | Test-tube 'incest' sparks French outrage

Not to mention in Canada we have the 3 parent child already.
Equal Marriage For Same-Sex Couples | D's 3 parents: ABC's of family law udpated

Might as well apply the law equally to heterosexual couples.

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Not to mention in Canada we have the 3 parent child already.
Equal Marriage For Same-Sex Couples | D's 3 parents: ABC's of family law udpated

Might as well apply the law equally to heterosexual couples.

There are already millions of children with 3 or more heterosexual parents throughout the U.S. and Canada.

They are called stepparents.

And I know for a fact that this has been going on for at least 120 years because my great-grandfather's parents were divorced and both remarried. He was raised by all 4 parents, spending the school year with his mother's family and vacations with his father's family.

All Canada has done is extend this to a family that deliberately created a situation where a child has 3 parents. I am sure it can be equally applied to a heterosexual couple which decides to have a child with the help of a surrogate donor and keep the donor as part of the child's life.

What is it that you see wrong with that exactly?
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3 legal parents. This child has two legal mothers and a father. No step-parents here. That is the difference.

Here's another recent U.S. case.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07050203.html

If a child can have 3 legal parents, what rule is there that limits marriages to 2 people?
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3 legal parents. This child has two legal mothers and a father. No step-parents here. That is the difference.

Here's another recent U.S. case.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07050203.html

If a child can have 3 legal parents, what rule is there that limits marriages to 2 people?
Last time I knew anything about it step-parents have most of the rights that biological parents have.

They can sign report cards, check kids out of or enroll them in schools, sign medical authorizations...

They can even sue for custody in case of the death of the custodial parent -- and sometimes they win.

So what is the big change here?
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If science, you know, the professionals, can get this to work
Scientists seek to create 'three-parent' babies - 19 October 2004 - New Scientist

Why not. We all know how our "professionals" follow ethics and all.
BBC News | EUROPE | Test-tube 'incest' sparks French outrage

Not to mention in Canada we have the 3 parent child already.
Equal Marriage For Same-Sex Couples | D's 3 parents: ABC's of family law udpated

Might as well apply the law equally to heterosexual couples.

"F" it.

Once marriage is redefined to accommodate homosexuals there is no rational basis to deny polygamy, incestuous marriage, or any other variation.

Heaven help the poor children who get dragged through this mire.

The real question remains how can a society enforce it's commonly-held moral values and still claim to be free.

Once we remove the moral fabric of a society, whether its based on religious values or something else, there really is no limit. Anything goes.

The US has its fair share of morality-based laws just like any other civilised society.

Examples include bigamy, polygamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, public masturbation, adultery, public fornication, bestiality, public nudity, internet gambling and obscenity.

Once the basis for moral values is conceded there is no reason to make any of these illegal.



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Last time I knew anything about it step-parents have most of the rights that biological parents have.

They can sign report cards, check kids out of or enroll them in schools, sign medical authorizations...

They can even sue for custody in case of the death of the custodial parent -- and sometimes they win.

So what is the big change here?
The change is that all three people are lega parents with the same rights as biological parents. Before, one parent had to release his/her rights before the step-parent could assume the role. The step-parent couldn't just adopt the child. That is no longer the case. It is as if the child has 3 biologic parents. As yet an unnatural occurence.
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isn't it interesting that the moral-based laws that garysher endorses all have to do with regulating others' sex lives?

perhaps because he has none of his own, it gives him time to obsess about others'?
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