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Old 07-30-2007, 04:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Do 'Gay Adoption' Opponents Oppose 'Obese Adoption'?
Do 'Gay Adoption' Opponents Oppose 'Obese Adoption'?
A Missouri judge's decision prompts the question.
Elizabeth Lawson

A Missouri judge ruled this week that a man would make an unfit father due to his weight. Gary Stocklaufer, a 500-pound trucker, was denied the right to adopt his cousin's infant son whom he and his wife had been fostering. The infant's court-appointed guardian said that there was concern that Stocklaufer would develop diabetes or sleep apnea due to his weight, Kansas City television stations KMBC and WDAF reported.

The concern about Stocklaufer's health and the subsequent health of the child after being placed in his home has echoes of the arguments used against gay adoption. Critics of adoption by homosexual couples have claimed that such homes are unstable and do not provide good role models.

But organizations that oppose adoption by homosexuals disagree on whether to similarly oppose adoption by the obese.

"You're dealing with a situation in which the state has the obligation, because the natural family has failed in some way, to make a determination as to the best interest of the child. And in that case, I think it's legitimate to take heath concerns such as this into consideration," said Peter Sprigg, vice president for policy at the Family Research Council. "For a person who weighs 500 pounds, there would be question about their mobility to be able to carry out some of the tasks involved in ordinary parenting, and there would be questions about their health and potential longevity, because of that."

However, Matt Barber, policy director for cultural issues at Concerned Women for America, believes emotional health risks should be considered before physical risks.

"You have to look at the totality of the circumstances. There are any number of factors that can put children in an environment where there are risks; there are always going to be risks," Barber said. "I think it's appropriate to consider the lifestyle that homosexuals engage in with all of the high-risk factors involved when you also take into consideration the fact that there is not a solid family environment with a mother and a father. Having the unique qualities that both a mother and a father bring and bear on childrearing, that is definitely the gold standard. To nitpick and to disqualify someone based on their weight or something like that, I don't know that that's appropriate."

Stocklaufer adopted another son seven years ago when he weighed about the same he does now. That adoption was approved by the same judge who ruled against him this week. Stocklaufer and his wife said they plan to appeal the judge's decision.

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Do 'Gay Adoption' Opponents Oppose 'Obese Adoption'?
A Missouri judge's decision prompts the question.
Elizabeth Lawson

A Missouri judge ruled this week that a man would make an unfit father due to his weight. Gary Stocklaufer, a 500-pound trucker, was denied the right to adopt his cousin's infant son whom he and his wife had been fostering. The infant's court-appointed guardian said that there was concern that Stocklaufer would develop diabetes or sleep apnea due to his weight, Kansas City television stations KMBC and WDAF reported.

The concern about Stocklaufer's health and the subsequent health of the child after being placed in his home has echoes of the arguments used against gay adoption. Critics of adoption by homosexual couples have claimed that such homes are unstable and do not provide good role models.

But organizations that oppose adoption by homosexuals disagree on whether to similarly oppose adoption by the obese.

"You're dealing with a situation in which the state has the obligation, because the natural family has failed in some way, to make a determination as to the best interest of the child. And in that case, I think it's legitimate to take heath concerns such as this into consideration," said Peter Sprigg, vice president for policy at the Family Research Council. "For a person who weighs 500 pounds, there would be question about their mobility to be able to carry out some of the tasks involved in ordinary parenting, and there would be questions about their health and potential longevity, because of that."

However, Matt Barber, policy director for cultural issues at Concerned Women for America, believes emotional health risks should be considered before physical risks.

"You have to look at the totality of the circumstances. There are any number of factors that can put children in an environment where there are risks; there are always going to be risks," Barber said. "I think it's appropriate to consider the lifestyle that homosexuals engage in with all of the high-risk factors involved when you also take into consideration the fact that there is not a solid family environment with a mother and a father. Having the unique qualities that both a mother and a father bring and bear on childrearing, that is definitely the gold standard. To nitpick and to disqualify someone based on their weight or something like that, I don't know that that's appropriate."

Stocklaufer adopted another son seven years ago when he weighed about the same he does now. That adoption was approved by the same judge who ruled against him this week. Stocklaufer and his wife said they plan to appeal the judge's decision.

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I guess gay obese people would really be fucked.
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I guess gay obese people would really be fucked.
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That level of obesity is a life threatening situation.
If a man who regularly engaged in promiscuous sex with anonymous strangers with no protection applied for adoption, I would likewise say his behavior was not suited.

But people like Barber want the homosexual "lifestyle" to be stereo-typed and assumed to be true.
Guilty with no potential to prove innocence.

If a gay man lives a monogamous, STD life with his partner, then they don't give a crap that his "lifestyle" is just as good.
They don't give a crap about the mounds of research which prove gay parents are just as good, with absolutely NO research showing any deficiency whatsoever.
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That level of obesity is a life threatening situation.
If a man who regularly engaged in promiscuous sex with anonymous strangers with no protection applied for adoption, I would likewise say his behavior was not suited.

But people like Barber want the homosexual "lifestyle" to be stereo-typed and assumed to be true.
Guilty with no potential to prove innocence.

If a gay man lives a monogamous, STD life with his partner, then they don't give a crap that his "lifestyle" is just as good.
They don't give a crap about the mounds of research which prove gay parents are just as good, with absolutely NO research showing any deficiency whatsoever.
I'm not so sure I'd take this thread too seriously.
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I see garysher is fantasizing about sex and me again.

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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
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I see garysher is fantasizing about sex and me again.
What a repulsive thought.

Still it's good to see Tristan engaging me in debate so enthusiastically after trying to ignore me, and encouraging others to do likewise, for so long.

Now I'm part of his inner circle of buddies.

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Do 'Gay Adoption' Opponents Oppose 'Obese Adoption'?
A Missouri judge's decision prompts the question.
Elizabeth Lawson

A Missouri judge ruled this week that a man would make an unfit father due to his weight. Gary Stocklaufer, a 500-pound trucker, was denied the right to adopt his cousin's infant son whom he and his wife had been fostering. The infant's court-appointed guardian said that there was concern that Stocklaufer would develop diabetes or sleep apnea due to his weight, Kansas City television stations KMBC and WDAF reported.

The concern about Stocklaufer's health and the subsequent health of the child after being placed in his home has echoes of the arguments used against gay adoption. Critics of adoption by homosexual couples have claimed that such homes are unstable and do not provide good role models.

But organizations that oppose adoption by homosexuals disagree on whether to similarly oppose adoption by the obese.

"You're dealing with a situation in which the state has the obligation, because the natural family has failed in some way, to make a determination as to the best interest of the child. And in that case, I think it's legitimate to take heath concerns such as this into consideration," said Peter Sprigg, vice president for policy at the Family Research Council. "For a person who weighs 500 pounds, there would be question about their mobility to be able to carry out some of the tasks involved in ordinary parenting, and there would be questions about their health and potential longevity, because of that."

However, Matt Barber, policy director for cultural issues at Concerned Women for America, believes emotional health risks should be considered before physical risks.

"You have to look at the totality of the circumstances. There are any number of factors that can put children in an environment where there are risks; there are always going to be risks," Barber said. "I think it's appropriate to consider the lifestyle that homosexuals engage in with all of the high-risk factors involved when you also take into consideration the fact that there is not a solid family environment with a mother and a father. Having the unique qualities that both a mother and a father bring and bear on childrearing, that is definitely the gold standard. To nitpick and to disqualify someone based on their weight or something like that, I don't know that that's appropriate."

Stocklaufer adopted another son seven years ago when he weighed about the same he does now. That adoption was approved by the same judge who ruled against him this week. Stocklaufer and his wife said they plan to appeal the judge's decision.

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Anybody else notice the words "natural family" used there? I wonder what he meant?
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What a repulsive thought.

Still it's good to see Tristan engaging me in debate so enthusiastically after trying to ignore me, and encouraging others to do likewise, for so long.

Now I'm part of his inner circle of buddies.
I found out long ago that Tristan's ignore only works when he has has nothing to say of substance...well that would mean he would never be able to say anything....well let's just say it's a convenience ignore. I find myself wishing it were more consistent though.
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