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Old 08-07-2007, 03:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb The "Ask a Lesbian" thread!
While on another thread in the Gay Marriage forum, I found myself being asked questions by people who wanted to know "what lesbians think" about this or that topic.

Mytmouse jokingly called it the "Ask a Lesbian" forum, and I thought, what the heck, that might be a good idea.

As I said there, I think a lot of the tension between straight and gay people, particularly over issues like gay marriage, come from simply not knowing and understanding each other as people.

So, ask away.

And the rest of you lesbians here, feel free to chime in.
I'm not trying to portray myself as the expert on lesbianism here!
Just trying to facilitate some dialog.

Also, I consider this an experiment.
If interest is low, that's OK. I just thought I would give it a shot.

Questions already asked, and answers:

Do lesbians favor certain body parts on women, like straight men do?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127443 (Defining Marriage)

Are there any physical attributes that are dealbreakers for lesbians?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127476 (Defining Marriage)

How is sex different for lesbians (apart from the obvious)?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127393 (Defining Marriage)

Does height factor into a lesbian relationship like it does in a straight one?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127479 (Defining Marriage)
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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While on another thread in the Gay Marriage forum, I found myself being asked questions by people who wanted to know "what lesbians think" about this or that topic.

Mytmouse jokingly called it the "Ask a Lesbian" forum, and I thought, what the heck, that might be a good idea.

As I said there, I think a lot of the tension between straight and gay people, particularly over issues like gay marriage, come from simply not knowing and understanding each other as people.

So, ask away.

And the rest of you lesbians here, feel free to chime in.
I'm not trying to portray myself as the expert on lesbianism here!
Just trying to facilitate some dialog.

Also, I consider this an experiment.
If interest is low, that's OK. I just thought I would give it a shot.

Questions already asked, and answers:

Do lesbians favor certain body parts on women, like straight men do?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127443 (Defining Marriage)

Are there any physical attributes that are dealbreakers for lesbians?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127476 (Defining Marriage)

How is sex different for lesbians (apart from the obvious)?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127393 (Defining Marriage)

Does height factor into a lesbian relationship like it does in a straight one?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127479 (Defining Marriage)
I wonder if Ellen DeGeneres is looking at this, Forester. She ought to have you on her show. Good topic you started.
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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There's sort of an "urban legend" (which I think actually has some truth to it) that women who have been continually abused, or otherwise hurt and/or dissapointed by men.. will "turn" lesbian. How true is that?

Also, I get the impression that women in general are far more "open" to experimentation with the same gender than men are. It's not THAT unusual for a woman to say she's kissed another woman... or had lesbian sex a time or two on a whim.. even though she's essentially straight.

What's up with that?
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Does height factor into a lesbian relationship like it does in a straight one?
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post127479 (Defining Marriage)

Speaking for myself, I have never dated anyone my height or taller. While I am 5' 8" and (I think) that over 50% of women are shorter than that, there are certainly a lot of gay women my height or taller too.

Though it is not a conscious choice, I think I have a thing for short brunettes. (With big brown, soleful eyes.)

But I think that it is probably an individual thing more than with straight women. One of my former roommates was 6' and -- naturally -- almost every woman she dated was shorter than she.

But my partner has always dated women that are taller. She is 5' 2" so, again, maybe this is just a natural outcome of her own size.

I don't think that I have ever heard a lesbian complain about the height of her date. And thinking of the lesbian couples that I know/have known, it seems like there is a lot of variety, from couples that can share clothes to couples that look like the lesbian equvalent of Mutt & Jeff.
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I've got a couple...

1) Can you explain to me again how to change my breaks?

2) What grout do I use to redo my shower?

3) That light came on in the car again! How do I fix it?

These are questions I end up calling my lesbians for...
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There's sort of an "urban legend" (which I think actually has some truth to it) that women who have been continually abused, or otherwise hurt and/or dissapointed by men.. will "turn" lesbian. How true is that?
It is true that some women who have negative experiences with men (ranging from one bad breakup to years of physical and mental abuse) will turn, usually in desperation, to a relationship with a woman.

In nearly all cases, though, this is just a temporary "visit." Very few people, even in such situations, can override their genetic programming for any length of time. If a woman is born straight, she will eventually (in nearly all cases) go back to relationships with men, or at least, turn away from women and be celibate.

This is not necessarily true of women who are bisexual to any significant degree. This abuse may be the final push that gets them to actualize their previously-unspoken interest in women.

Which makes a nice segue into your 2nd question.

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Also, I get the impression that women in general are far more "open" to experimentation with the same gender than men are. It's not THAT unusual for a woman to say she's kissed another woman... or had lesbian sex a time or two on a whim.. even though she's essentially straight.

What's up with that?
Women view physical contact very differently than men, so I have learned. (Of course, most of what I know about how straight men behave around each other is all second-hand.)

Women think very little of giving each other a hug or kiss on the cheek as a greeting, rush to embrace a woman who is upset or just got great news, will hold another's hand as a show of support, etc.

In my experience with the "dabbler," as I call her, it is a short step from these signs of innocent affection to indulging curiosity by, say, lingering just a little longer on a kiss or embrace. Once that ball has started rolling, naturally, in certain situations or with a certain segment of women, things are going to happen.

Men, on the other hand (and please correct me if I am wrong) limit contact to handshakes, hi-fives, and chucks on the shoulder for the most part. There seems to be this notion that too much touching is not manly.

These internal unspoken taboos keep "experimenting" from ever getting started.

So, I think it is simply an outgrowth of women being more emotionally driven and physically "touchy" than men, and men having hang-ups about being seen as less than manly, that is primarily responsible for what looks like a greater incidence of experimentation among women, compared with men.

There is also this unfortunate trend being driven in the popular media now that bisexual women are "cool." I think it has broken down most of the remaining taboos for younger women, and in fact encouraged/urged those who aren't interested to try... to be cool.

This, I am really not in favor of.
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I've got a couple...

1) Can you explain to me again how to change my breaks?

2) What grout do I use to redo my shower?

3) That light came on in the car again! How do I fix it?

These are questions I end up calling my lesbians for...
Here are my answers.
1. Call a mechanic. Write a check. That's what I do.
2. Call a plumber. Write a check. That's what I do.
3. See #1.

Sorry... about all I know about cars is where to put the gas and the windshield washer juice, and how to set the radio stations.

As for plumbing, I have our plumber on speed dial. He LOVES us.
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I don't think that I have ever heard a lesbian complain about the height of her date. And thinking of the lesbian couples that I know/have known, it seems like there is a lot of variety, from couples that can share clothes to couples that look like the lesbian equvalent of Mutt & Jeff.


Sharing clothes is one of the great perks of my relationship for this clothes horse, I can tell you. Now, if only I had had the presence of mind to fall in love with someone who had the same shoe size as me...

Seriously though, that is about what I said too, CF. I know lesbian couples (gay couples too, for that matter) that are of the same height, and of very different heights.

It is sort of odd, isn't it, that straight women want a man who is taller than they are (and I think straight men want a women shorter than they are), but we don't seem to mind one way or the other.

I'm not sure if it means anything, but it is interesting.
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Which makes a nice segue into your 2nd question.



Women view physical contact very differently than men, so I have learned. (Of course, most of what I know about how straight men behave around each other is all second-hand.)

Women think very little of giving each other a hug or kiss on the cheek as a greeting, rush to embrace a woman who is upset or just got great news, will hold another's hand as a show of support, etc.

I agree.

In my experience with the "dabbler," as I call her, it is a short step from these signs of innocent affection to indulging curiosity by, say, lingering just a little longer on a kiss or embrace. Once that ball has started rolling, naturally, in certain situations or with a certain segment of women, things are going to happen.

Make sense.


Men, on the other hand (and please correct me if I am wrong) limit contact to handshakes, hi-fives, and chucks on the shoulder for the most part. There seems to be this notion that too much touching is not manly.

Yes, correct. Although me and my closest friends... they guys I've known for over 20 years and are really more like "brothers" ... have no problem with hugs or an arm over the shoulder. Holding hands or a kiss on the cheek? errr... not so much. Although you are correct that's probably cultural. In some cultures, it's not unusual for men to hold hands or kiss on the cheek as a sign of friendship.

These internal unspoken taboos keep "experimenting" from ever getting started.

That could be.


So, I think it is simply an outgrowth of women being more emotionally driven and physically "touchy" than men, and men having hang-ups about being seen as less than manly, that is primarily responsible for what looks like a greater incidence of experimentation among women, compared with men.


True. But I still find the idea of even "experimenting" with another guy to be really gross. Don't know how many other guys feel that way.. deep down inside..

There is also this unfortunate trend being driven in the popular media now that bisexual women are "cool." I think it has broken down most of the remaining taboos for younger women, and in fact encouraged/urged those who aren't interested to try... to be cool.

That's because every man's fantasy is a threesome with two women... LOL. I've even had a couple of girlfriends who expressed interest doing that... but nothing ever came of it. I don't know if they were honestly interested in trying with with me an another girl.. or they just wanted to do something "special" for me.. or if it was a combination thereof.

Anyway, the oldest "cool" thing in the media is for a man to hump women all over the place. Look at the James Bond movies. He HAD to nail at least three chicks in every one. But that might be changing. In the newest (and, IMO, best) James Bond Movie, he made out with another chick, but actualy had sex with only the main female lead.


This, I am really not in favor of.
Me either. But yes, I'm still a man.. and I still think about threesomes... LOL!!
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Dear Ask-A-Lesbian,

I've always wanted to know.

When wearing khaki's and work boots, should sock tops extend beyond the boots?

And which color of my plaid flannel shirt should I match the socks with?

Thanking you,

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