Defending the Truth

how uninformed and gullible people can be:

Global-Warming Deniers: A Well-Funded Machine - Newsweek Technology - MSNBC.com

I woudn't say that. Global warming is still a debatable issue where even those in the science community don't agree.

That's why they are called scientists. They don't agree on things, like global warming, for example. The earth goes into a cycle: ice age and global warming.

Read the article.

It isn't debateable. Over 600 scientist agree that global warming is taking place.

The only scientists that disagree are being paid by ExxonMobil. Coincidence? I doubt it.

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"There was an extraordinary campaign by the denial machine to find and hire scientists to sow dissent and make it appear that the research community was deeply divided," says Dan Becker of the Sierra Club. Those recruits blitzed the media. Driven by notions of fairness and objectivity, the press "qualified every mention of human influence on climate change with 'some scientists believe,' where the reality is that the vast preponderance of scientific opinion accepts that human-caused [greenhouse] emissions are contributing to warming," says Reilly, the former EPA chief. "The pursuit of balance has not done justice" to the science. Talk radio goes further, with Rush Limbaugh telling listeners this year that "more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not likely to significantly contribute to the greenhouse effect. It's just all part of the hoax." In the new NEWSWEEK Poll, 42 percent said the press "exaggerates the threat of climate change."
Now naysayers tried a new tactic: lists and petitions meant to portray science as hopelessly divided. Just before Kyoto, S. Fred Singer released the "Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change." Singer, who fled Nazi-occupied Austria as a boy, had run the U.S. weather-satellite program in the early 1960s. In the Leipzig petition, just over 100 scientists and others, including TV weathermen, said they "cannot subscribe to the politically inspired world view that envisages climate catastrophes." Unfortunately, few of the Leipzig signers actually did climate research; they just kibitzed about other people's. Scientific truth is not decided by majority vote, of course (ask Galileo), but the number of researchers whose empirical studies find that the world is warming and that human activity is partly responsible numbered in the thousands even then. The IPCC report issued this year, for instance, was written by more than 800 climate researchers and vetted by 2,500 scientists from 130 nations."

I wasn't sure if you were saying people are gullible because they believe global warming is taking place or they don't.

Because they think just like you do, that global warming is a debateable issue.

Take a look at these facts:

"This summer, Texas was hit by exactly the kind of downpours and flooding expected in a greenhouse world, and Las Vegas and other cities broiled in record triple-digit temperatures. Just last week the most accurate study to date concluded that the length of heat waves in Europe has doubled, and their frequency nearly tripled, in the past century. The frequency of Atlantic hurricanes has already doubled in the last century. Snowpack whose water is crucial to both cities and farms is diminishing. It's enough to make you wish that climate change were a hoax, rather than the reality it is."

The Anarctic ice shelves are melting, Greenland's ice pack is melting at an alarming rate.

" In April 1998 a dozen people from the denial machine—including the Marshall Institute, Fred Singer's group and Exxon—met at the American Petroleum Institute's Washington headquarters. They proposed a $5 million campaign, according to a leaked eight-page memo, to convince the public that the science of global warming is riddled with controversy and uncertainty. The plan was to train up to 20 "respected climate scientists" on media—and public—outreach with the aim of "raising questions about and undercutting the 'prevailing scientific wisdom' " and, in particular, "the Kyoto treaty's scientific underpinnings" so that elected officials "will seek to prevent progress toward implementation." The plan, once exposed in the press, "was never implemented as policy," says Marshall's William O'Keefe, who was then at API."

I believe global warming is probably taking place, I'm just not sure whether it's because of a natural cycle of the earth, greenhouse gases, or a combination of the two.

what boggles my mind is you do not know a damn thing your talking about. go troll yahoo.

And why do you think that? What research have you done in regards to naturally occuring GW?

Or is it only what you have heard in the media, correct? Or what conservative members of Congress say (members, who's campaigns were funded greatly by these very same industries)?

The fact is that doubt is EXACTLY what the API is looking for. They don't have any studies saying global warming ISN'T taking place. What they are doing is basically making things up and putting this into the press to make people like you doubt it.

It doesn't make you say 'hmmm?' when you hear that the 'scientists' that say it isn't happening or is happening naturally work for places funded by the oil/auto/coal industries?

THAT'S what I mean when I say people are gullible. They take what they hear on talk radio or Bill O'Reilly and swear it as true instead of doing the research themselves.

What's your damage, TJ? You really need to think about getting a life instead of stalking someone on the internet. Didn't you know that it's illegal?