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  |   Lutherans to allow pastors in gay relationships Social progress continues! At this point, I have lost count of the religious institutions that come out (pardon the pun) in support of gays. But this, I believe, is the biggest and most mainstream. That's the end of the gay detractors saying, "All major religions reject homosexuality." (At least, for the honest ones.) -- Lutherans to allow pastors in gay relationships - Yahoo! News CHICAGO (Reuters) - Homosexual Lutheran clergy who are in sexual relationships will be able to serve as pastors, the largest U.S. Lutheran body said on Saturday. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) passed a resolution at its annual assembly urging bishops to refrain from disciplining pastors who are in "faithful committed same-gender relationships." The resolution passed by a vote of 538-431. "The Church ... has just said 'Do not do punishments'," said Phil Soucy, spokesman for Lutherans Concerned, a gay-lesbian rights group within the church. "That is huge." The ELCA, which has 4.8 million members, had previously allowed gays to serve as pastors so long as they abstained from sexual relations. The conference also instructed a committee that is developing a social statement on sexuality to further investigate the issue. The committee is scheduled to release its report in 2009. Since the ELCA was founded in 1988, the group has ordered three pastors in gay relationships to be removed from their ministries. The most recent case was decided in July when the ELCA's committee on appeals voted to remove an openly gay pastor from St. John's Lutheran Church in Atlanta. The gay clergy issue has become a flashpoint in other faiths, including the Anglican Church. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Oh my! This is good news. My lady is Lutheran, though she is Missouri Synod rather than ELCA. Maybe she should switch.  (Like I see that happening!)Right now America spends $700 billion every year on foreign oil. That's our money going overseas when it could be staying here. We have to stop this. That's why I support the Pickens Plan. Check out the website at www.pickensplan.com. If you like what you see, please join me as a Pickens Plan supporter. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Ali! - Good to see you back - hope all is better! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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I don't know of any Christian church that doesn't "support" gays. But that doesn't alter the fact that the Bible teaches that marriage is for one man and one woman, that homosexuality is a sin, and we have all sinned and need to repent. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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08-11-2007, 08:46 PM
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The Episcopalians, the Lutherans, the U.C.C.C., 4/5 of all Jews in the U.S. ... the list just keeps growing and growing. It is great news, indeed! Soon, the anti-gay buffoons will go the way of pet rocks! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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I imagine that if one sect of Lutherans can evolve, so can another! | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Pet rocks were trendsetters, on the leading edge! A Tamagotchi is nothing but an electric pet rock. My daughter has one, and thinks it's the coolest thing ever! By contrast, the "anti-gay buffoons" (love the term!) are on the TRAILING edge. They are being evolved out of the social system, just like racists and sexists. With this move by the ELCA, another nearly 5 million Americans, nearly 2% of the country's population, have chosen to evolve. I don't have figures on the other groups you mention, but I DO believe that with this evolution, the number of members of gay relationship-friendly religious groups is quickly approaching the number of actual gay people in the country. Truly astounding. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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December 21, 2012. Remember that date. We are running out of oil. We are messing up the climate. We are becoming more populous than the planet can handle. The planet has already reset itself several times. It seems that we are right on the edge of the next reset or at least a very large change. The Mayan calender ends on that date. I wonder if they knew something that no one else knew. Exodus 2006 - The Mayan Calendar and the Sun Pole Shift & Pole Reversal in 2012 2012 |The Mayan calendar and global warming I've seen a lot of doomsday theories. This one seems to make more sense than the rest of them. It isn't based on anything man-made like computers or a wild guess, but on a science that seems to be well beyond the people that formulated it. And with homosexuality, a sin that is pretty much universal among all religions starting to split many of these same religions at their seams, it seems we are headed for a change that has been foretold by more than one of these same religious texts. We'll see. Eternal Path - December 21 2012 This is my new signature. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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