| Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics? | 
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I'm a Christian too and a big fan of America.
But don't you think it's a tad pretentious to suggest that the Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, Bill of Rights etc were somehow God-given?
According to the Bible God's "chosen people" were the Jews, not the Americans.
I sometimes hear right-wing wacko preachers on radio or TV denigrating Canada and Europe as "socialist" and somehow inferior to America with its God-given "rights".
I'm all for patriotism but "gimme a break"!
In any case, most countries have freedom of religion, of speech, etc, and they didn't all have to slaughter an indigenous race to get it?
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Originally Posted by garysher  Israelites are God's chosen, not just Jews. All Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. Now...isn't that an interesting concept?
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Either way, the Bible mentions nothing about Americans being God's chosen people!
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I sometimes hear right-wing wacko preachers on radio or TV denigrating Canada and Europe as "socialist" and somehow inferior to America with its God-given "rights".
America is the "land of milk and honey" that was promised to Abraham and his descendants, Gary.
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What makes you think that?
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In any case, most countries have freedom of religion, of speech, etc, and they didn't all have to slaughter an indigenous race to get it?
When God gives a blessing to a nation, it's not up to us how He does it.
| Ask the North American Indian nations if they thought European invaders were a "blessing"!
And why claim a monopoly on God-inspired Constitutions??
It could be taken as offensive to other nations. And it also creates a xenophobic closed-minded, unworldliness that has got America into a lot of bad situations.
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Originally Posted by tristanrobin There is a difference between being "inspired by" and "given by" God. |
How would you characterise the difference?
And which one applies to the US Constitution?
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Originally Posted by garysher
How would you characterise the difference?
And which one applies to the US Constitution?
| The US Constitution was inspired - and given by - humans, who may well have been inspired by God.
But I agree with you, Gary; you make a very good point. | |
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the same way I can write a song that was inspired by The Rolling Stones, and having The Rolling Stones give me a song which I'm allowed to call my own.
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Originally Posted by Fluffmeister The US Constitution was inspired - and given by - humans, who may well have been inspired by God.
But I agree with you, Gary; you make a very good point. | Yeah he does...I'm curious to see where this thread goes..if anywhere. I have always wanted to see a discussion about the beginnings of this country with an eye toward the Native Americans. The whole concept of "These United States" is built on theft, deceit, rape, and a bit o' slavery and murder .
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Originally Posted by fxashun Yeah he does...I'm curious to see where this thread goes..if anywhere. I have always wanted to see a discussion about the beginnings of this country with an eye toward the Native Americans. The whole concept of "These United States" is built on theft, deceit, rape, and a bit o' slavery and murder . | A bit? I'd say that is a "bit" of an understatement.
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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos A bit? I'd say that is a "bit" of an understatement. | Tell me about it....
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Level up: 44%, 166 Points needed | | Well, the natives weren't exaclty lovey-dovey with one another before "we" (Europeans) arrived.
And some Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans.
Human nature is what it is.
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