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Old 08-23-2007, 01:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What a Shame We Need These Court Cases
...what people won't go through to validate treating gays as less than full citizens...

Union To Finally Recognize Gay Couple's 51 Year Relationship, Provide Pension Benefits
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff

Posted: August 23, 2007 - 11:00 am ET

(San Francisco, California) Marvin Burrows and life partner William Swenor thought they had done everything necessary to ensure for each other's financial future should either of them die.

The Hayward, California couple, together for 51 years, registered as domestic partners under the state law and in 2004 were married in San Francisco. The marriage was one of hundreds of same-sex marriages later annulled by the California Supreme Court but their domestic partnership remained intact.

Then suddenly in 2005 Swenor died.

When Burrows applied for the pension benefits left by Swenor the Industrial Employers and Distributors Association and Warehouse Union rejected the claim on the grounds the couple had not married and under federal law their relationship was invalid.

As a result, Burrows had to leave the home that he and Swenor had shared for many years and was left completely destitute.

Assisted by the National Center for Lesbian Rights Burrows for two years fought the union, and this week learned he had won.

The ILWU has informed NCLR that it had changed its policy to provide registered domestic partners with the same pension benefits as spouses.

The ILWU also agreed to make this change retroactive to March 1, 2005, thereby enabling Burrows to receive his deceased partner's pension benefits.

"I am overwhelmed and excited that I will receive what Bill promised me in case he passed away before me," said Burrows in a statement.

"Finally our community is being recognized, and my 51 years with Bill will mean something to others, not just me. I know Bill is smiling down on me today."

The union decision applies only two ILWU locals in northern California with about 5,500 members but NCLR said that the problem faced by Burrows is all to common for gay and lesbian couples.

"Marvin and Bill's story is unfortunately all-too-common, as, like the rest of the population, a significant portion of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community grows older," said NCLR Elder Law Project Coordinator Joyce Pierson.

"For surviving heterosexual spouses, marriage automatically ensures access to pension and retirement benefits ... We should not forget, however, that the vast majority of same-sex partners in California still do not have this protection."

The issue of same-sex marriage in California is currently before both the legislature and the state Supreme Court.
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If they would stop pushing for "marriage" and get "civil unions" with full legally enforceable benefits this all would be a non-issue.
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If they would stop pushing for "marriage" and get "civil unions" with full legally enforceable benefits this all would be a non-issue.
Mind my French, but what's the fucking difference?
Old 08-23-2007, 01:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Mind my French, but what's the fucking difference?
The same difference between a man and a woman. One has boobs and a vagina, and the other doesn't. They are both human, but they aren't the "same".

A homosexual union is not the "same" as a heterosexual one. And should not be considered as such.
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Mind my French, but what's the fucking difference?
Technically nothing, but calling it a civil union seems to set better with alot of people. Me, I don't really give a shit either way.
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The same difference between a man and a woman. One has boobs and a vagina, and the other doesn't. They are both human, but they aren't the "same".

A homosexual union is not the "same" as a heterosexual one. And should not be considered as such.
Why do you care so much what anyone calls it?

How about we outlaw the word 'marriage' and call everything civil unions? That way there can be no discrimination.
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Mind my French, but what's the fucking difference?

Like he said, I think it is enough of an issue with enough people to note that difference.

Although, again, personally, I don't care a toss either way.

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Since there have been MYRIAD court cases that are caused because CIVIL UNIONS AND DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS are not given the same rights as MARRIAGES are given, I would say the difference was quite dramatic.

Even in NJ and CT, where the laws SPECIFICALLY state that civil unions are to be treated as marriages, there are STILL lawsuits filed regularly because there are people who won't recognize them as such.

Marriages between consenting adults should be legal, period. And everybody will have equal rights to the benefits and responsibilities inherent in the legally binding contract.
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But, tristan, homosexuality is 'icky'



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But, tristan, homosexuality is 'icky'



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No sarcasm necessary. It IS icky. It tilts MY moral compass just like incest, pedo, zoofie, necro, corpro, etc.....And I'm not alone.
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