Defending the Truth
Articles | Interviews | Politicians | Groups | Arcade | Experience | Donate
  Defending the Truth > Political Issues > Gay Marriage

Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-27-2007, 08:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
*Premium Member*
Premium Member
 
tristanrobin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Haven, CT
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,764
Country:
Points: 58,964, Level: 100
Points: 58,964, Level: 100 Points: 58,964, Level: 100 Points: 58,964, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 93%
Activity: 93% Activity: 93% Activity: 93%
Send a message via Yahoo to tristanrobin
tristanrobin is offline
Reply With Quote
Another One Bites the Dust....
Another GOP Lawmaker Busted In Washroom
by The Associated Press

Posted: August 27, 2007 - 6:30 pm ET
Updated 8:00 pm ET

(Minneapolis, Minnesota) Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho pleaded guilty this month to misdemeanor disorderly conduct after being arrested at the Minneapolis airport.

A Hennepin County court docket showed Craig pleading guilty to the disorderly conduct charge Aug. 8, with the court dismissing a charge of gross misdemeanor interference to privacy.

The court docket said the Republican senator paid $575 in fines and fees. He was put on unsupervised probation for a year. A sentence of 10 days in the county workhouse was stayed.

Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper, which first reported the case, said on its Web site Monday that Craig was arrested June 11 by a plainclothes officer investigating complaints of lewd conduct in a men's restroom at the airport.

Craig, a social conservative, supported both attempts to advance a proposed constitutional amendment banning gay marriage and opposes adding sexuality to the groups covered under hate crime laws and to a bill protecting LGBT workers.

Craig said in a statement issued by his office Monday that he was not involved in any inappropriate conduct.

"At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions," he said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

Craig, 62, is married and in his third term in the Senate. He is up for re-election next year. He was a member of the House for 10 years before winning election to the Senate in 1990.

He has been one of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's top Senate supporters, serving as a Senate liaison for the campaign since February. As word spread of Craig's guilty plea, a Romney campaign spokesman, Matt Rhoades, said in a statement: "Senator Craig has stepped down from his role with the campaign. He did not want to be a distraction and we accept his decision."

Sidney Smith, a Craig aide in Boise, said Monday afternoon that the senator was "in the (Boise) area" but was declining to give interviews.

Minneapolis airport police declined to provide a copy of the arrest report after business hours Monday.

Roll Call, citing the report, said Sgt. Dave Karsnia made the arrest after an encounter in which he was seated in a stall next to a stall occupied by Craig. Karsnia described Craig tapping his foot, which Karsnia said he "recognized as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct."

Roll Call quoted the Aug. 8 police report as saying that Craig had handed the arresting officer a business card that identified him as a member of the Senate.

"What do you think about that?" Craig is alleged to have said, according to the report.

Last fall, Craig called allegations from a gay-rights activist that he's had homosexual relationships "completely ridiculous."

Mike Rogers, who bills himself as a gay activist blogger, published the allegations on his Web site, http://www.blogactive.com , in October 2006.

Craig hasn't said if he plans to run for a fourth term in 2008. An announcement was expected this fall. His spokesman, Smith, was uncertain if Craig's guilty plea would affect his re-election plans.

"It's too early to talk about anything about that," Smith told The Associated Press.

J. Kirk Sullivan, chairman of the Idaho Republican Party, declined to comment on the situation, saying he was unaware of the nature of the charges against Craig.
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance.

Bigotry is a social disease.

Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
Sponsored Links
Old 08-27-2007, 08:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
*Premium Member*
Premium Member
 
tristanrobin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Haven, CT
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,764
Country:
Points: 58,964, Level: 100
Points: 58,964, Level: 100 Points: 58,964, Level: 100 Points: 58,964, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 93%
Activity: 93% Activity: 93% Activity: 93%
Send a message via Yahoo to tristanrobin
tristanrobin is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Karsnia entered the bathroom at noon that day and about 13 minutes after taking a seat in a stall, he stated he could see “an older white male with grey hair standing outside my stall.”

The man, who lingered in front of the stall for two minutes, was later identified as Craig.

“I could see Craig look through the crack in the door from his position. Craig would look down at his hands, ‘fidget’ with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again. Craig would repeat this cycle for about two minutes,” the report states.

Craig then entered the stall next to Karsnia’s and placed his roller bag against the front of the stall door.

“My experience has shown that individuals engaging in lewd conduct use their bags to block the view from the front of their stall,” Karsnia stated in his report. “From my seated position, I could observe the shoes and ankles of Craig seated to the left of me.”

Craig was wearing dress pants with black dress shoes.

“At 1216 hours, Craig tapped his right foot. I recognized this as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct. Craig tapped his toes several times and moves his foot closer to my foot. I moved my foot up and down slowly. While this was occurring, the male in the stall to my right was still present. I could hear several unknown persons in the restroom that appeared to use the restroom for its intended use. The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area,” the report states.

Craig then proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times, and Karsnia noted in his report that “I could ... see Craig had a gold ring on his ring finger as his hand was on my side of the stall divider.”

Karsnia then held his police identification down by the floor so that Craig could see it.

“With my left hand near the floor, I pointed towards the exit. Craig responded, ‘No!’ I again pointed towards the exit. Craig exited the stall with his roller bags without flushing the toilet. ... Craig said he would not go. I told Craig that he was under arrest, he had to go, and that I didn’t want to make a scene. Craig then left the restroom.”

In a recorded interview after his arrest, Craig “either disagreed with me or ‘didn’t recall’ the events as they happened,” the report states.
Craig Arrested, Pleads Guilty Following Incident in Airport Restroom

so THAT'S the paper bag trick that all the straight people know about! LOL I read it on a few threads here, and had no idea what it meant! LOL

learn something new every day
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance.

Bigotry is a social disease.

Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
Old 08-27-2007, 09:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
Citizen
 
jhb90277's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: California
Gender: Female
Posts: 99
Country:
Points: 972, Level: 16
Points: 972, Level: 16 Points: 972, Level: 16 Points: 972, Level: 16
Level up: 72%, 28 Points needed
Level up: 72% Level up: 72% Level up: 72%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
jhb90277 is offline
Reply With Quote
 
If he wanted toilet paper, he should have just asked for it!
Old 08-27-2007, 09:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
SIMPLETON
Premium Member
 
fxashun's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In my skin
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,395
Country:
Points: 30,025, Level: 100
Points: 30,025, Level: 100 Points: 30,025, Level: 100 Points: 30,025, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
fxashun is offline
Reply With Quote
 
What's the friggin deal is it with these bathrooms and male same gender sex?

Badpuppy's GayToday: Health News

Oh. Now I understand.
This is my new signature.
Old 08-27-2007, 10:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
*Premium Member*
Premium Member
 
tristanrobin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Haven, CT
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,764
Country:
Points: 58,964, Level: 100
Points: 58,964, Level: 100 Points: 58,964, Level: 100 Points: 58,964, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 93%
Activity: 93% Activity: 93% Activity: 93%
Send a message via Yahoo to tristanrobin
tristanrobin is offline
Reply With Quote
 
I think a far better question (and certainly more on-topic to this thread - ahem) would be "what's the friggin deal is it with these bathrooms and male same gender sex with GOP anti-gay legislation writing congressmen, senators, and christian tele evangelists"
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance.

Bigotry is a social disease.

Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
Old 08-28-2007, 10:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
Council Member
 
mytmouse57's Avatar
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Wyoming
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,816
Country:
Points: 5,451, Level: 47
Points: 5,451, Level: 47 Points: 5,451, Level: 47 Points: 5,451, Level: 47
Level up: 51%, 99 Points needed
Level up: 51% Level up: 51% Level up: 51%
Activity: 2%
Activity: 2% Activity: 2% Activity: 2%
mytmouse57 is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Ha. Well, having been a newspaper reporter in Idaho for many years, I've met Craig in person on several occassion.

Never been in a bathroom with him though....
If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields

Old 08-28-2007, 10:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
*Premium Member*
Premium Member
 
tristanrobin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Haven, CT
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,764
Country:
Points: 58,964, Level: 100
Points: 58,964, Level: 100 Points: 58,964, Level: 100 Points: 58,964, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 93%
Activity: 93% Activity: 93% Activity: 93%
Send a message via Yahoo to tristanrobin
tristanrobin is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jhb90277 View Post
If he wanted toilet paper, he should have just asked for it!


remember Elaine trying to get toilet paper in a restroom booth next to Jerry's girlfriend?

LOL
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance.

Bigotry is a social disease.

Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
Old 08-28-2007, 10:53 AM   #8 (permalink)
Council Member
 
forester814's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chicago 'burbs
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,594
Country:
Points: 14,839, Level: 78
Points: 14,839, Level: 78 Points: 14,839, Level: 78 Points: 14,839, Level: 78
Level up: 98%, 11 Points needed
Level up: 98% Level up: 98% Level up: 98%
Activity: 29%
Activity: 29% Activity: 29% Activity: 29%
Send a message via Yahoo to forester814
forester814 is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tristanrobin View Post
I think a far better question (and certainly more on-topic to this thread - ahem) would be "what's the friggin deal is it with these bathrooms and male same gender sex with GOP anti-gay legislation writing congressmen, senators, and christian tele evangelists"
At this point, I have lost track of how many such "good Christian men" have gone down the very path they are trying to save the rest of us from.

And of course, these are only the ones WE HEAR ABOUT. It seems naive to believe that every such case actually ends up in the news.

To those who are in situations like this, but have not been outed yet, I'd like to say...

Hypocritically trying to pray the gay away doesn't work.
Hypocritically trying to legislate the gay away doesn't work.

Here's what will work. Stop being a hypocrite, and start being yourself.
THAT is something that we can respect.
Old 08-28-2007, 10:54 AM   #9 (permalink)
Council Member
 
forester814's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chicago 'burbs
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,594
Country:
Points: 14,839, Level: 78
Points: 14,839, Level: 78 Points: 14,839, Level: 78 Points: 14,839, Level: 78
Level up: 98%, 11 Points needed
Level up: 98% Level up: 98% Level up: 98%
Activity: 29%
Activity: 29% Activity: 29% Activity: 29%
Send a message via Yahoo to forester814
forester814 is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tristanrobin View Post


remember Elaine trying to get toilet paper in a restroom booth next to Jerry's girlfriend?

LOL
Sorry, I don't have a square to spare!
Old 08-28-2007, 10:55 AM   #10 (permalink)
Council Member
 
forester814's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chicago 'burbs
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,594
Country:
Points: 14,839, Level: 78
Points: 14,839, Level: 78 Points: 14,839, Level: 78 Points: 14,839, Level: 78
Level up: 98%, 11 Points needed
Level up: 98% Level up: 98% Level up: 98%
Activity: 29%
Activity: 29% Activity: 29% Activity: 29%
Send a message via Yahoo to forester814
forester814 is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mytmouse57 View Post
Ha. Well, having been a newspaper reporter in Idaho for many years, I've met Craig in person on several occassion.

Never been in a bathroom with him though....
And are you thinking now that's probably a good thing?
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:17 PM.


 Top Political Sites
Poltical Topsites