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"Looking For Love On The Sly"
Looking For Love On The Sly

by Wayne Besen


Somehow, the idea of furtive bathroom sex seemed more in vogue when pop icon George Michael was arrested. Now, the guy in the stall next to you is likely a gay-obsessed mayor, an undercover cop or a crusty old conservative legislator. With such unappetizing menu choices, one has to be quite desperate and pathetic to try to find his man in the can - especially with the advent of the Internet, which can deliver a pick-up faster than a pizza.

So, the few remaining men who seek to cruise the commode are mostly married conservative hypocrites looking for love on the sly. Exhibit A is Larry Craig, a married Republican Senator from Idaho who pleaded guilty to soliciting a police officer for sex at the Minneapolis airport in June.

The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force pointed out that Craig supported both the Federal Marriage Amendment and Idaho's anti-same-sex marriage constitutional amendment. He is not supportive of nondiscrimination and hate crimes legislation that would extend protections to gay people and has even refused to pledge that his own office would not discriminate against LGBT people. (Was he afraid of temptation?)

The Senator's tortured attempts to explain away the obvious were as comical as they were tragic.

"At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions," Craig said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

How were they misconstruing it? We all know what it means if you shake it more than five times. The fact is, Craig was tapping his foot and reaching under the stall, and seemed to be quite adept at giving the arcane signals necessary for a fling between flights.

Yet, astoundingly, the Senator sounded a defiant note at his press conference implausibly denying his homosexuality. "I am not gay. I never have been gay," said Craig.

Airports can be quite boring and, perhaps, he was just a straight guy passing the time, rather than making a pass at a clandestine cop. But, this isn't the first time Craig has been tied to bathroom cruising. Activist extraordinaire Mike Rogers had previously revealed that Craig was a known cruiser at Washington's notorious Union Station restrooms. Yes, I also realize that there is little to do while waiting for trains. May I suggest the Senator travel by car -with a driver - next time?

How many of these incidents will it take before America realizes that the family values crowd is a big, fat fraud? They are a batch of moralizing molesters, pious pervs, closeted creeps and values voyeurs. It is time the right just closes shop and stops pointing fingers - because we have no idea where those sticky fingers have been.

In recent memory, we have been treated to Florida Republican Rep. Mark Foley's preoccupation with teenage pages; The National Association of Evangelical's leader Ted Haggard's working relationship with escort Mike Jones; Florida Republican legislator Bob Allen getting arrested in a park restroom for soliciting oral sex from a police officer; The arrest of Southern Baptist Convention leader Lonnie Latham in Oklahoma City on a lewdness complaint for allegedly propositioning a plainclothes policeman; and Indiana Young Republican National Federation leader Glenn Murphy resigning after police charged him with sexually assaulting a Young Republican friend, while his comrade was napping in a drunken stupor.

Forgive me if I missed a tawdry scandal, but I would need a Republican database of disgrace to keep track. Or, I could always call Fort Lauderdale Mayor Jim Naugle for the "facts." The mayor is so gay-sex obsessed that he recently tried to raid the city's treasury to buy robo-johns to prevent gay men from getting it on. But, it turned out the mayor may actually have issues, when the police said gay bathroom sex was a non-issue.

If people, such as Naugle, have problems with restroom sex, they only have themselves to blame. Fundamentalism is the primary cause, not the solution to such behavior. People such as the moralizing mayor have made every effort to publicly shame gay people - inevitably driving some individuals to join conservative political movements and engage in shameful actions.

Interestingly, Fort Lauderdale televangelist D. James Kennedy, who Naugle praises as a great man, retired the same week that Sen. Craig's secret was revealed. Kennedy's church, Coral Ridge Ministries, was the lead sponsor of the 1998 million-dollar ex-gay "Truth In Love Campaign," that caused a national uproar. While the religious right heaps effusive praise on Kennedy, the Craig incident reminds us that Kennedy-type anti-gay crusades have probably lead more closeted married men to bathroom glory holes than to the glory of God.

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It's not like it's rare. Men meeting for sex in bathrooms seems to be pretty much a regular occurrence. Justifying the Red Cross ban on such activities for donors.
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exactly what your post had to do with the topic presented I have no idea.

but, as the author said, "So, the few remaining men who seek to cruise the commode are mostly married conservative hypocrites looking for love on the sly."
Those straight married guys just can't get out of the bathroom without first soliciting sex.
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As has been done with my posts, I'm gonna refer to the source of your link. Of course they would try to imply that the only people cruising mens restrooms are "married conservative hypocrites looking for love on the sly."
Yet the web is full of stories of plenty of people who get caught having sex in bathrooms. Not to mention plenty of anecdotes of gay men chronicling their exploits and which bathrooms to go to. So what did my post have to do with your post? It shows that "bathroom sex" not only isn't rare, but is probably happening at a park or rest stop near you.

And yet here again is another attack on "the family values crowd" based on the actions of this guy. I don't let "you" color my view on "regular" gay guys. Family values is an important topic for many people. And if anything, sex in bathrooms cements that we ought to monitor areas like this for such activity. People trolling around these areas looking for free sexual gratification is simply disgusting. Especially at an airport restroom where children might see something. If gay men were worried soo much about marriage to create a more stable "family" and were put here to take care of the "heterosexual overflow" as had ben mentioned here, this is a poor indication of it.
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CTV.ca | Foot-tapping ritual common in bathroom sex sting
"A foot-tapping ritual was a common thread in many of the 41 arrests reported during a four-month airport"

If they caught 41 men in that restroom at that airport, what is going on in other airports, bus stations, parks, and rest areas. I don't care whether the men are gay or not, but I'm really starting to understand why male "homosexual acts" is despised much more fervently biblically and by the general public. Men already can be dogs, but you put two of them with a like mind together, and it's just a nasty situation. And they don't mind doing in public areas...just like dogs
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The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force pointed out that Craig supported both the Federal Marriage Amendment and Idaho's anti-same-sex marriage constitutional amendment. He is not supportive of nondiscrimination and hate crimes legislation that would extend protections to gay people and has even refused to pledge that his own office would not discriminate against LGBT people. (Was he afraid of temptation?)

Well if you're going to be a hypocrite, might as well go all out!

The Senator's tortured attempts to explain away the obvious were as comical as they were tragic.

"At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions," Craig said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

He was arrested on June 11th and he pleaded guilty on August the 8th, way to handle the matter quickly and expeditiously Senator Craig! He didn't think to speak to a lawyer within the time span of almost two months? Does he seriously think anyone believes him?

How were they misconstruing it? We all know what it means if you shake it more than five times. The fact is, Craig was tapping his foot and reaching under the stall, and seemed to be quite adept at giving the arcane signals necessary for a fling between flights.

Oh no, all he did was tap his foot a few times, played footsie with the cop, and reached his hand under the divider and into the officer's stall to grab a non-existent piece of toilet paper LOL! It was only a pure coincidence that every one of motions the Senator made were signals for men soliciting sex in restrooms. It's all in your head...

Airports can be quite boring and, perhaps, he was just a straight guy passing the time, rather than making a pass at a clandestine cop. But, this isn't the first time Craig has been tied to bathroom cruising. Activist extraordinaire Mike Rogers had previously revealed that Craig was a known cruiser at Washington's notorious Union Station restrooms. Yes, I also realize that there is little to do while waiting for trains.

That's a strange way to pass the time lol, maybe he should look into buying a Nintendo DS or Game Boy for those long waits. Just a suggestion lol.


How many of these incidents will it take before America realizes that the family values crowd is a big, fat fraud? They are a batch of moralizing molesters, pious pervs, closeted creeps and values voyeurs. It is time the right just closes shop and stops pointing fingers - because we have no idea where those sticky fingers have been.

The party of "Family Values" is anything but.


In recent memory, we have been treated to Florida Republican Rep. Mark Foley's preoccupation with teenage pages; The National Association of Evangelical's leader Ted Haggard's working relationship with escort Mike Jones; Florida Republican legislator Bob Allen getting arrested in a park restroom for soliciting oral sex from a police officer; The arrest of Southern Baptist Convention leader Lonnie Latham in Oklahoma City on a lewdness complaint for allegedly propositioning a plainclothes policeman; and Indiana Young Republican National Federation leader Glenn Murphy resigning after police charged him with sexually assaulting a Young Republican friend, while his comrade was napping in a drunken stupor.

You needn't post any more examples, you're already batting a thousand on this one lol. But if anyone's interested, here's a couple of pages listing the various Republican/right-wing sex scandals:

LIST OF REPUBLICAN SEX SCANDALS
Republican Sex Scandals
T. Rexs Guide to Life | Main / Republican Family Values
Craig on Clinton's scandal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<obje...mbed></object>
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As has been done with my posts, I'm gonna refer to the source of your link. Of course they would try to imply that the only people cruising mens restrooms are "married conservative hypocrites looking for love on the sly."
As has also been done with your posts, I have to make some kind of choice. Did you not understand the article? Or are you attempting to be dishonestly misrepresent it?

There is no "they." This is not a news article. This is an EDITORIAL. This is a (very well done) piece by ONE MAN.

You seem to think that an editorial op/ed piece is the same thing as a news story. Either that - or you do know and simply dishonestly represent it in your posts in order to further fan the flames of bigotry.

(And, for what it's worth, I think the majority of people cruisiing mens restrooms ARE closeted hypocrites looking for love on the sly. Your average gay man does not have to resort to such unsavory - and illegal - practices to find sexual partners. The reason a person would engage in such behaviour is that he's afraid to be "found out" as gay...which would happen in a gay bar or at a gay social event. Are any of these men just gay? Of course. Where ever there are large numbers of men, there will be gay men among them.)
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As has been done with my posts, I'm gonna refer to the source of your link. Of course they would try to imply that the only people cruising mens restrooms are "married conservative hypocrites looking for love on the sly."
Yet the web is full of stories of plenty of people who get caught having sex in bathrooms. Not to mention plenty of anecdotes of gay men chronicling their exploits and which bathrooms to go to. So what did my post have to do with your post? It shows that "bathroom sex" not only isn't rare, but is probably happening at a park or rest stop near you.

And yet here again is another attack on "the family values crowd" based on the actions of this guy. I don't let "you" color my view on "regular" gay guys. Family values is an important topic for many people. And if anything, sex in bathrooms cements that we ought to monitor areas like this for such activity. People trolling around these areas looking for free sexual gratification is simply disgusting. Especially at an airport restroom where children might see something. If gay men were worried soo much about marriage to create a more stable "family" and were put here to take care of the "heterosexual overflow" as had ben mentioned here, this is a poor indication of it.
washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

CTV.ca | Foot-tapping ritual common in bathroom sex sting
"A foot-tapping ritual was a common thread in many of the 41 arrests reported during a four-month airport"

If they caught 41 men in that restroom at that airport, what is going on in other airports, bus stations, parks, and rest areas. I don't care whether the men are gay or not, but I'm really starting to understand why male "homosexual acts" is despised much more fervently biblically and by the general public. Men already can be dogs, but you put two of them with a like mind together, and it's just a nasty situation. And they don't mind doing in public areas...just like dogs

Heterosexuals never NEVER solicit anyone for sex... right?
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As has also been done with your posts, I have to make some kind of choice. Did you not understand the article? Or are you attempting to be dishonestly misrepresent it?

Oh God no, that's never been done to my links. Ever. Noooo....Uh uh. Puleeze.


There is no "they." This is not a news article. This is an EDITORIAL. This is a (very well done) piece by ONE MAN.

But when I post links "by one man", the guy gets railed. Remember my Germ Theory link that was beat up on because it was theorized by a "physicist". Until I pointed out that he partnered with a evolutionary biologist. Whether it's "well done" I guess may depend on perspective.
Speaking of which, Wiki has a bit more on it.
Pathogenic hypothesis of homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You seem to think that an editorial op/ed piece is the same thing as a news story. Either that - or you do know and simply dishonestly represent it in your posts in order to further fan the flames of bigotry.

I really didn't even look a the by-line. So I just read it as a news report. As far as fanning the flames of bigotry, why do we need more than one thread about this. There have to have been about 4 of them now. I seems like there's an attempt to light a fire for homonormativity.

(And, for what it's worth, I think the majority of people cruisiing mens restrooms ARE closeted hypocrites looking for love on the sly. Your average gay man does not have to resort to such unsavory - and illegal - practices to find sexual partners. The reason a person would engage in such behaviour is that he's afraid to be "found out" as gay...which would happen in a gay bar or at a gay social event. Are any of these men just gay? Of course. Where ever there are large numbers of men, there will be gay men among them.)
And I might say that they are just men out looking for instant gratification just like my link said. I would probably go hump a balloon before I run in a bathroom for some anonymous guy to apply suction to my penis, but hey, to each his/her own. Or some men just have a compulsion for that kind of thing as another link indicated. And I have stated several times that I don't think a man has to be "gay" to have sex with men. Considering the variety and pervasiveness of fetishes and paraphilas and the fact that men dominate the concept, some men might like the way the disinfectant cakes smell and form a connection with sex. That's just how effed I think the male sexual psyche can be.
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Soliciting yes, getting it for free just by going into the public bathroom and patting feet and coughing, no. Even a nasty crack ho wants a couple bucks for her time.
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There is no "they." This is not a news article. This is an EDITORIAL. This is a (very well done) piece by ONE MAN.

But when I post links "by one man", the guy gets railed. Remember my Germ Theory link that was beat up on because it was theorized by a "physicist". Until I pointed out that he partnered with a evolutionary biologist. Whether it's "well done" I guess may depend on perspective.

There is an ENORMOUS difference between a man writing an op/ed political piece, and somebody presenting non-peer-reviewed "scientific" research as the definitive word on an issue. I thought you had gone to college. No?

I really didn't even look a the by-line. So I just read it as a news report.

So, rather than continuing to defend your response, why not just say that you didn't realize it was an op/ed and that your reply was not accurate in representing it. Or, is honesty just not your particular cup of tea?

As far as fanning the flames of bigotry, why do we need more than one thread about this. There have to have been about 4 of them now. I seems like there's an attempt to light a fire for homonormativity.

I'm sorry. Are you saying that the political news item that has dominated every news channel and network news program for a week is not worthy of discussion? Which is certainly your right. However, if you don't want to discuss it, why are you posting on the threads?

And I might say that they are just men out looking for instant gratification just like my link said. I would probably go hump a balloon before I run in a bathroom for some anonymous guy to apply suction to my penis, but hey, to each his/her own. Or some men just have a compulsion for that kind of thing as another link indicated. And I have stated several times that I don't think a man has to be "gay" to have sex with men. Considering the variety and pervasiveness of fetishes and paraphilas and the fact that men dominate the concept, some men might like the way the disinfectant cakes smell and form a connection with sex. That's just how effed I think the male sexual psyche can be.
"I would probably go hump a balloon before I run in a bathroom for some anonymous guy to apply suction to my penis, but hey, to each his/her own."

And I agree. However your other posts belie the attitude you now present. You do NOT believe 'to each his/her own.' You denigrate, demean and dehumanize people who do not share your sexual proclivities.
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