OKgrannie

Don't you love a pro-choice man?

Daily Kos: The Question of Choice Shouldn’t Be!


"For anyone not operating strictly on religious zealotry, too little information, too much propaganda, or too much imagination together with the preceding, choice is a clear cut no-brainer. Here are my reasons:
A woman ALWAYS risks her life when she tries to carry a pregnancy to term and deliver. ALWAYS. The chances aren’t what they were before modern medicine, ....They are perfectly willing to spend a few poor or working poor people’s lives, including the infants they claim to be so concerned about - until the child is born. The Republican’s and many church’s treatment of pregnant women and of infants and children gives the lie to that canard beyond argument.
It takes a woman’s body about five years to recover from a pregnancy. The results of surgery – too often done so the doctor can make a golf game or something – aside, it changes her body, and never for the better. It may not be much, or it may be a lot, but her body will never be the same as it was after bearing a child. Even if the sire (a father is something else again) contributes monetary support, which is just a fraction of what he should be giving – emotional support is just as necessary – it isn’t his body that ages, changes, and in general just no longer works or looks the way a healthy young body does. A lot of it can be helped with the right exercise and food, good medical care that includes preventive medicine, lots of help, especially in the first year of a child’s life, with raising the child (only being half as exhausted as they might be is a godsend for parents), and other things America neglects, often perforce. Damage can be minimized, with some good luck and work, but her body WILL NEVER GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS. That’s a price a man doesn’t pay and never will....

As for the "rights of the fetus", until it’s at least capable of survival outside the womb (and I’m uncertain myself about this, so the choice should still be hers, as it ain’t my health and livelihood a stake), there shouldn’t be any. Most abortions that take place late into a pregnancy are due to legal and financial delays caused deliberately by the RadRight in order to force a woman to have the child while being able to say, "We didn’t force her – she had legal recourse", which is, of course, a lie. The fetus is literally a part of the woman’s body until delivery, and the cost, by every measurement there is, is high – for her even at best. It’s always been too damned easy for a man to just walk away, and I don’t see that changing any time soon. For the early part of a pregnancy, the so-called "child" is just a handful of cells that no more constitute a "person" than a pile of bricks constitutes a house. When the fetus becomes anything like conscious is a matter of debate even for experts; we can’t even define consciousness yet, not really. Yes, nerves form, a neural center forms, and you can get proof of electrical activity on a graph – you can do the same thing with plants, too. "

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garysher

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fxashun

I saw nothing there but rationalization.

You are blinded by religion or stupid if you are pro-life. Really?

Abortions are for vanity reasons. Really?

The developing human is nothing but mush just like a plant. Really?

Sad really that any one can reduce human biology to such abstract terms just to justify killing one.

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mytmouse57

I agree, a lot of rationalization there.

Look, if you really hate what pregnancy might do to your body that much.. you have a couple of options.

1: Use reliable birth control.
2: Don't fuck in the first place.

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baloney_detector

Or,

3: Have an abortion.

(This is always an option, whether abortion is legal or not.)

mytmouse57

I agree it's an option. But it's an ethically dicey one, IMO. And if it's done purely out of vanity... then I would say completely reprehensible.

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KnightOfSappho

I would agree.

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George

'Have an abortion'.

What a lovely euphemism for 'murder an inconvenient baby'.

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People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news.
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What luck for rulers that men do not think.
Adolf Hitler
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
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knot_e_lady

Child Support

What a lovely euphemism for "I don't give a shit about my kids".

George

Very true.

What do you say we round up all the kids unsupported by pop and kill them?

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news.
A. Liebling
What luck for rulers that men do not think.
Adolf Hitler
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Mahatma Gandhi