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09-25-2007, 02:06 PM
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  |  Anti-Gay Bigots Can't Be Trusted Company Refuses To Insure Church Over Denomination's Support For Gay Marriage by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff Posted: September 25, 2007 - 1:00 pm ET (Adrian, Michigan) A company that specializes in church insurance has refused to provide coverage to a United Church of Christ congregation over the denomination's support for same-sex marriage. The UCC said that West Adrian United Church of Christ was told that its gay-affirming stances made it a "higher risk" for property and liability insurance. "Our company's decision to not submit a quote to your organization arose out of information that was supplied in a supplemental application, indicating that your organization 'publicly endorses or practices the marriage of same-sex couples' and 'publicly endorses or practices the ordination of the homosexual clergy,'" Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Company, based in Fort Wayne, Indiana said in a letter to the church. "[Brotherhood Mutual has] an obligation to serve as stewards of our policyholder's funds, and to avoid knowingly insuring organizations that are at higher risk of loss based on the controversial positions that they have taken," the letter, signed by Marci J. Fretz, a regional underwriter for the company, said. Founded in 1917, Brotherhood Mutual, bills itself as one of the nation's leading insurers of churches and related ministries. It provides insurance to 30,000 congregations in 29 states and the District of Columbia. The church has found insurance through the UCC. West Adrian UCC, founded in 1836, has about 100 members. It, however, is not listed among the nearly 700 UCC churches that have publicly adopted an "Open and Affirming" position with regard to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender persons. The United Church of Christ has a history of supporting gays in its denomination, dating to 1972, when it ordained the first openly gay minister and established a gay caucus. The General Synod of the United Church of Christ voted in 2005 to endorse same-sex marriage, making it the largest Christian denomination in the country to do so. (story) In 2004 the UCC caused a stir in the growing marriage debate when it created a television advertising campaign that featured a gay couple, among others, being excluded from a church. CBS and NBC rejected the 30-second ads. (story) The 30-second commercial features two muscle-bound "bouncers" standing guard outside a picturesque church and selecting which persons are permitted to attend Sunday services. Written text interrupts the scene, announcing, "Jesus didn't turn people away. Neither do we." A narrator then proclaims the United Church of Christ's commitment that: "No matter who you are, or where you are on life's journey, you are welcome here." It produced a second gay positive commercial this year that also was rejected by national networks but aired on cable. Called "Ejector Seat," the ad employs humor to underscore one of the campaign's central themes, "God doesn't reject people. Neither do we." *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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09-25-2007, 02:16 PM
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09-25-2007, 03:35 PM
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Well, the fact of the matter is, the church's stance DOES put it at higher risk, esp. for property damage. Sad? Yes. But true nonetheless. I don't see any bigotry here, just bottom-line business practice. If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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09-25-2007, 03:41 PM
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I think the bigots in question might be the ones from which the church is at risk of property damage. Who else would want to damage their property?  Right now America spends $700 billion every year on foreign oil. That's our money going overseas when it could be staying here. We have to stop this. That's why I support the Pickens Plan. Check out the website at www.pickensplan.com. If you like what you see, please join me as a Pickens Plan supporter. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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09-25-2007, 04:20 PM
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I understand insurance risks I'm talking about the people who MAKE such risks a reality. (I know of two U.C.C. churches that have been vandalized - one set afire, the other just graffitied and broken windows) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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