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Old 04-19-2005, 09:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A Scary Thought
I was talking with a friend about politics this afternoon and we were discussing what Bush has done since he took office. I didn't really think much of it at the time, but as I thought it over in my head I came to a realization. Now please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that our current president is preparing for a Hitler-esque move.

I do not mean this in the sense that you are all probably thinking, so stop thinking right now so I may explain myself since I have mentioned the name of someone who most of you think is equatable to satan, thanks to mass media. Ok, we all have heard about ethnic cleansing, but what about political cleansing?

It seems to me that our president is on a mission that his brother will continue when he takes office. (note: I said when because in my mind this country is not and will not be ready to have a woman be president in three years, do not call me a sexist, I am simply stating my point of view) This mission is to "cleanse" the world of "unclean" governments.

I believe that after he is done with Iraq, which will be soon once he can ensure that the US will never see enough of the oil that comes from there to keep the cost of oil in this country up all the while acting like he is trying to lower it, Bush will move on to Iran and eventually turn the entire Middle East into an american base of operations all with "Democracies". These "Democracies" will be alot like the "Democracy" in this country which is nothing more than an illusion of a Democracy at best.

After this is done, I can see the focus being shifted, as not to raise suspisions, to possibly Cuba after Castro dies and the next guy takes over. The inserting of a democracy (or in other words, taking over) in cuba will be a covert operation, since the reps needs those latin-american votes.

After this, the United States will indirectly control the middle east, cuba, and third world nations that rely on our factories, oh I'm sorry, I mean sweat shops, to pay then cents per day for their labor, and Lets not forget those countries like India who depend on our outsourcing of real jobs as well.

Now the question is, with the United States directly or indirectly controlling this much of the world, do you really trust the guys that are running it?
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree, and my answer is no. I really don't trust any rulers...

I think citizens are really in abusive relationships with politicians, policemen, corporations, etc. They know that their actions don't have to please us, because their justifications will (or will attempt to). Besides, they do a good job of getting the public on their side by making us feel powerful and unified with fancy speeches, patriotic trinkets, and a biased media.

In the end it's all about profit. And the police are there [not to fight crime and make the streets safe for good, god-fearing, Christian Americans, but] to protect property and maintain social control (and don't get me wrong, this is helpful in some ways, but if you ask me people are perfectly capable or taking care of themselves, they just don't bother to go out and learn how to do it... I believe in survival of the fittest anyway). The problem is-- the American corporations are at the top of the food chain.

That aside--

I think some of the higher-ups in the government really believe in that idea of "the white man's burden". In other words, we have a duty as the superior race to discipline the other races of the world, because they don't have a damned clue about what they're doing.

Apparently we do...?

And adding onto your idea about Bush trying to clean up the world, I do believe he's trying to enforce the rules of his religion on America as well with the ban on gay marriage, the illegalization of abortion, and I'm drawing a blank right now, so we'll leave it at that.

Good post, by the way.
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I was talking with a friend about politics this afternoon and we were discussing what Bush has done since he took office. I didn't really think much of it at the time, but as I thought it over in my head I came to a realization. Now please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that our current president is preparing for a Hitler-esque move.

I do not mean this in the sense that you are all probably thinking, so stop thinking right now so I may explain myself since I have mentioned the name of someone who most of you think is equatable to satan, thanks to mass media. Ok, we all have heard about ethnic cleansing, but what about political cleansing?

It seems to me that our president is on a mission that his brother will continue when he takes office. (note: I said when because in my mind this country is not and will not be ready to have a woman be president in three years, do not call me a sexist, I am simply stating my point of view) This mission is to "cleanse" the world of "unclean" governments.

I believe that after he is done with Iraq, which will be soon once he can ensure that the US will never see enough of the oil that comes from there to keep the cost of oil in this country up all the while acting like he is trying to lower it, Bush will move on to Iran and eventually turn the entire Middle East into an american base of operations all with "Democracies". These "Democracies" will be alot like the "Democracy" in this country which is nothing more than an illusion of a Democracy at best.

After this is done, I can see the focus being shifted, as not to raise suspisions, to possibly Cuba after Castro dies and the next guy takes over. The inserting of a democracy (or in other words, taking over) in cuba will be a covert operation, since the reps needs those latin-american votes.

After this, the United States will indirectly control the middle east, cuba, and third world nations that rely on our factories, oh I'm sorry, I mean sweat shops, to pay then cents per day for their labor, and Lets not forget those countries like India who depend on our outsourcing of real jobs as well.

Now the question is, with the United States directly or indirectly controlling this much of the world, do you really trust the guys that are running it?

You are preaching to the choir man! I think the Bush administration is fascist as hell. They manipulate the masses by use of fear and religion, which happen to be two HUGE warning signs of a fascist government. I don't trust our government one iota.
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Hevusa, fascism actually appeals to countries that have seen hard times. Fascist leaders have a way of making the people feel united and they feel that if total control is given to this person, that they will lead the country to stability.

It becomes a dictatorship when the leader decides that he really likes having control and starts developing big plans for a country as Hitler did. He was clever, because while his passionate speeches drew cheers from adoring Germans, he said things similar to what Bush has said, and I quote "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists".

Striking fear in some, but unity in most--I would say--is very characteristic of a fascist government, though I've always tried to view fascism as more of a plan for national repair rather than a permanent government. The problem is that America is doing ridiculously well, which makes me just a bit uncomfortable about the way Bush is treating our situation.

But I wouldn't start comparing Junior Bush to Hitler. Instead, just keep it in the back of your mind that there's still the possibility because there really is no telling how things will turn out.
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You mentioned that Bush is preparing for a Hitler-esque move. Funny how Democrats can get away with saying something like this however if a Republican ever said something like this to a Democrat, the media would be all over them. Anyways to my point...

Fact:
Hitler abused his power by killing millions of innocent Jews. Please do remember that these Jews were not terrorists to the Germans.

Point:
You can say something like, "Bush plans on controlling the Middle East by invading many nations"; However to compare Bush to Hitler is absolutely stupid. (Please keep saying stuff like this because it weakens the Democratic Party).

My Belief:
Anyone who is a threat to America, who plans on taking us down, or obtains biological weapons should be taken into consideration.

Fact:
Do remember that for decades we have been attacked by terrorists. Isn't it suprising that these attacks have suddenly stopped since we have started fighting these terrorists?

Are we going to invade Iran? Are we going to invade Cuba? I don't know. As for thinking we may have another Bush in 08'...I don't think that will happen.

I think Bush is doing a fine job protecting America. (What I just said may anger many liberals)
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You mentioned that Bush is preparing for a Hitler-esque move. Funny how Democrats can get away with saying something like this however if a Republican ever said something like this to a Democrat, the media would be all over them. Anyways to my point...

Fact:
Hitler abused his power by killing millions of innocent Jews. Please do remember that these Jews were not terrorists to the Germans.

Point:
You can say something like, "Bush plans on controlling the Middle East by invading many nations"; However to compare Bush to Hitler is absolutely stupid. (Please keep saying stuff like this because it weakens the Democratic Party).

My Belief:
Anyone who is a threat to America, who plans on taking us down, or obtains biological weapons should be taken into consideration.

Fact:
Do remember that for decades we have been attacked by terrorists. Isn't it suprising that these attacks have suddenly stopped since we have started fighting these terrorists?

Are we going to invade Iran? Are we going to invade Cuba? I don't know. As for thinking we may have another Bush in 08'...I don't think that will happen.

I think Bush is doing a fine job protecting America. (What I just said may anger many liberals)

Well, I'm pretty sure he meant Hitler-esque as in- invading & Americanizing countries WITHOUT the systematic slaughter of millions of innocent people.
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Well, I'm pretty sure he meant Hitler-esque as in- invading & Americanizing countries WITHOUT the systematic slaughter of millions of innocent people.
I completely understand that.

He could of said, "invading & Americanizing countries" without using a comparison of Hitler and Bush. I've seen many Bush/Hitler comparisons used by Democrats as a scare tactic to sway votes during the elections. It's just completely stupid.
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Well, I'm pretty sure he meant Hitler-esque as in- invading & Americanizing countries WITHOUT the systematic slaughter of millions of innocent people.
I completely understand that.

He could of said, "invading & Americanizing countries" without using a comparison of Hitler and Bush. I've seen many Bush/Hitler comparisons used by Democrats as a scare tactic to sway votes during the elections. It's just completely stupid.

It is completely valid. There are so many parallels between the two regimes that it sets off alarms in people around the world. Bush isn't protested where ever he goes in the world for nothing.
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These same protestors are people like you who believe our troops should not be in Iraq right now. If Bush slaughtered millions of innocent people sure I would join the protest. He is making America safer. To the many people around the world who already hates us, it angers them.
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These same protestors are people like you who believe our troops should not be in Iraq right now. If Bush slaughtered millions of innocent people sure I would join the protest. He is making America safer. To the many people around the world who already hates us, it angers them.

I think you hit on a great point. Bush is making people very angry worldwide. I think time will show that Bush actually made America much less safe.
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